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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2016 8:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by throbak on Jan 31, 2016 8:34:03 GMT -5
To me NO To rethink Would be A Comprimise To justify now seemingly acceptable Misuse of our Natural Resources I.E. The Commercialazation
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 31, 2016 10:37:07 GMT -5
Is it time to rethink the "Constitution of the United States" also?
I think not.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2016 11:33:58 GMT -5
Is it time to rethink the "Constitution of the United States" also? I think not.  ... |
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Post by jjas on Jan 31, 2016 11:52:48 GMT -5
Like it or not, over the last few decades, what we grew up with and recognized as "deer hunting" has been replaced (for many) by trophy hunting and the huge amounts of money that finance those pursuits.
Perhaps it's time we finally admit to ourselves that the vast majority of us wouldn't spend thousands of dollars on bows, guns, optics, leases, stands, blinds, clothing, food plots, property, etc...just to kill a 1 1/2 old 6 pointer or a doe for the meat.
We tend to believe that we aren't that different than hunters of the past, but I hardly think our fathers (and/or mentors) would have gladly spent $300 for a yeti cooler or (if they even wore camo) would have replaced perfectly good camo with new, because Realtree brought out a different pattern. H*ll, we are willing to put expensive cameras in the woods and PAY for a cell service plan to send us images.
We (the collective we) have created the "pay to play" environment that deer hunting has become. I don't blame the landowners for charging for access, or selling their ground for thousands of dollars an acre to someone whose plans include putting a fence around it, so as to charge for hunts and/or raise deer to sell as livestock, meat or collect urine, etc. And while I know it's not popular with many on this forum (myself included) IMHO, the reality is high fence hunting/farming operations are going to continue to grow and be much more widely accepted by hunters as a viable option to grow/kill that "trophy" buck of a lifetime as the years pass and other options wane.
As was pointed out in the article....While "we" may own the deer, the landowners control access to the deer. And that access is not only going to cost more as the years pass, but the access is likely going to be to places that many of us swore we would never step foot on.....
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Post by throbak on Jan 31, 2016 13:19:51 GMT -5
High Fence will never be accepted by a True Sportsman period High Fence is for Killers that Have Lost the meaning of the hunt !!! Not going to change the Rules to meet The Industry agenda to ease your conscience ,So they can expand the protitution of a resource ...I for one am not going to make it easier for them, MyResourcees that have been put in my trust can't be bought. And What they are doing to the fish is unbelievable and equally unacceptable
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Post by hunterman on Feb 1, 2016 9:51:54 GMT -5
Everything adapts,evolves and changes or it becomes obsolete. Hunting is no different. Doesn't mean it has to become unrecognizable to how we all know it but with addition of crossbows, rifles ,high fence and other methods it simply is the survival of the hunting sport. I don't hunt high fence because I don't need to having the ability and opportunity to do otherwise. But the overwhelming majority of sportsmen support high fence hunting, doesn't mean everyone can and will do it but they certainly don't want to prevent others from doing it. With these changes in our sport some will quit and others will gladly fill their shoes. We should never give up on how we were all raised hunting but we can't be so naive to think it's not gonna evolve with the times.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 1, 2016 10:49:34 GMT -5
But the overwhelming majority of sportsmen support high fence hunting, doesn't mean everyone can and will do it but they certainly don't want to prevent others from doing it. Can you please provide statistical evidence of this statement? I am not saying false or true but this caught me off guard for sure. |
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Post by steiny on Feb 1, 2016 11:13:07 GMT -5
I don't want to participate, but I have no problem with high fence big game hunting. Seems like a lot of folks that slam this practice, participate in or take no issue with put and take bird hunts or pay pond fishing which are basically the same thing.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 1, 2016 11:24:07 GMT -5
I don't want to participate, but I have no problem with high fence big game hunting. Seems like a lot of folks that slam this practice, participate in or take no issue with put and take bird hunts or pay pond fishing which are basically the same thing. I support the rights of a business owner operating a farm, I could care less if he contracts out harvestings of his cows, pigs, deer, elk or whatever else so long as legal. I personally cannot call it hunting though myself. |
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Post by chubwub on Feb 1, 2016 12:46:21 GMT -5
Here is what I disagree with:
• 1D: Stop looking the other way on feral hogs and exotics, which complicate management. The hunting industry evolving around them should gladly pay its part of the freight. If your state doesn’t require a hunting license for these animals, get that changed.
I would say no to hunting licenses for anything classified as an invasive species, unless you are selling the meat for commercial use (Asian carp commercial fishing for example) I have a lot of concern about putting value on the invasive species that makes it more profitable for them to stay then doing everything in our power to eradicate them. If anything, invasive species should simply be covered under the general hunt/fish license.
• 1E: Never relinquish public ownership of native wildlife. Hunters cannot allow heritage game species such as whitetails, elk, or bison to be reduced to livestock.
Disagree wholeheartedly. This argument is based on emotions instead of logic. You cannot pick and chose who gets to own what as long as the animals are appropriately managed. You could just as easily argue that no one should be allowed to own raptors because....they are heritage animals? Uh what? Privately raised game animals are a whole different breed than wild. There are countless industries that thrive on commercial bison, elk and deer and provide many useful products that we benefit from that take the pressure off the demand for poaching wild animals. Why take the risk of poaching a bison for meat when I can buy it from the store for 5$ a pound? As far as I'm concerned this is a positive thing, demand is legally met, and wildlife continues to stay wild.
• 5A: Phase out farm-raised wildlife. Commercial outfits will say it’s an illegitimate seizure of private property. The counterargument is that the public’s wildlife is endangered by diseases incubated inside those fences.
It is an illegitimate seizure of private property. Bugger off. Not all disease is created equal, and putting a fence around a game animal does not mean that all of a sudden that they will become infested with disease. There are many diseases from wildlife that threaten our livestock daily, but I know many of us would frown upon the eradication of wildlife such as waterfowl because they are the natural carriers of avian influenza and cholera or deer because they carry Lyme disease. Can't recall the last time I had to worry about contracting rabies from a domestic animal...... I think it's beyond stupid that you can farm emus, camels, ostrich, alligators, etc to your heart's content, but all of a sudden it's a deer and people lose their minds. Last time I checked farming reindeer has been around for hundreds of years and it seems to work out just fine for them over in Europe.
• 5B: Consider limited application of commercial wild-game harvest as a conservation benefit. Could snow goose overpopulations be managed if wild goose pâté was sold next to gourmet cheeses? Could we control invasive hogs if hunters were able to sell wild bacon at the farmer’s market? And could we pay for expensive removal of suburban deer if hunters or municipalities could sell venison?
No, absolutely not unless the animal has been classified as an invasive species. We absolutely cannot go back to the market hunting days. Just because a populations numbers are strong does not mean it is immune to collapse. We managed to wipe out the passenger pigeon, which had so many birds in a flock that they darkened the sky. I'm on the fence about snow geese. The overpopulation is beginning the handle itself so to speak, and honestly, it's been giving hunters a waterfowl experience unlike anything else. Reducing numbers that large is going to take time, regardless of how it's done.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2016 13:17:02 GMT -5
I don't want to participate, but I have no problem with high fence big game hunting. Seems like a lot of folks that slam this practice, participate in or take no issue with put and take bird hunts or pay pond fishing which are basically the same thing. I support the rights of a business owner operating a farm, I could care less if he contracts out harvestings of his cows, pigs, deer, elk or whatever else so long as legal. I personally cannot call it hunting though myself. If you are a farmer you must follow BOAH guidelines if you contract out your farm animals which would require a Humane Slaughter....that does not mean you pen them up and climb a tree and shoot them with a gun or Bow or hunt them!! www.in.gov/boah/files/slghtr_LG-12.13pdf.pdf |
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 1, 2016 13:20:16 GMT -5
I support the rights of a business owner operating a farm, I could care less if he contracts out harvestings of his cows, pigs, deer, elk or whatever else so long as legal. I personally cannot call it hunting though myself. If you are a farmer you must follow BOAH guidelines if you contract out your farm animals which would require a Humane Slaughter....that does not mean you pen them up and climb a tree and shoot them with a gun or Bow or hunt them!! www.in.gov/boah/files/slghtr_LG-12.13pdf.pdfI don't know all the regulations and rules they must follow, nor do I personally care because it isn't hunting to me nor do I personally feel any kind of way connected to fenced operations. If they are following laws set before them so be it, but I just don't want them to ever start infringing on my free ranging hunting world  |
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Post by chubwub on Feb 1, 2016 13:41:51 GMT -5
I support the rights of a business owner operating a farm, I could care less if he contracts out harvestings of his cows, pigs, deer, elk or whatever else so long as legal. I personally cannot call it hunting though myself. If you are a farmer you must follow BOAH guidelines if you contract out your farm animals which would require a Humane Slaughter....that does not mean you pen them up and climb a tree and shoot them with a gun or Bow or hunt them!! www.in.gov/boah/files/slghtr_LG-12.13pdf.pdfBe careful what you wish for... because if it is deemed to be too inhumane to kill a domestic animal this way, then what's to stop people from using that reasoning to say that it's also too inhumane to be doing the same to wildlife? |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2016 16:29:54 GMT -5
I will take my chances.... I believe there's enough Fair chase hunters to stand there ground !
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Post by hunterman on Feb 1, 2016 16:53:16 GMT -5
Fair chase and canned hunting can happen on both sides of the fence. Ethical hunters and slob hunters can be on either side of the fence as well. You would have to be pretty naive and narrow minded to not know this.
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2016 17:18:00 GMT -5
Yep, its that time of year again.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2016 17:31:38 GMT -5
Fair chase and canned hunting can happen on both sides of the fence. Ethical hunters and slob hunters can be on either side of the fence as well. You would have to be pretty naive and narrow minded to not know this. Please point us to what High Fence operation in Indiana has fair chase hunting inside its fence! BTW.... This answer should open up some "naive and narrow"minds... |
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Post by hunterman on Feb 1, 2016 18:03:52 GMT -5
I guess you would have to hunt on one to know. Anything short of actually hunting on one and judging would be speculation from someone naive and narrow minded
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Post by firstwd on Feb 1, 2016 18:09:25 GMT -5
OK, I have enough of personal BULL and name calling!
GROW UP or SHUT UP!
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