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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 9, 2005 7:20:35 GMT -5
The is going to sound rediculous, but whish direction does your off color vane face (right handed shooters) left or up? I am asking how you nock your arrows. I was recently told to do it differently by the shop and that may be why my shots are all over the place. Let me know....now I feel like I am starting the sport of archery all over again!
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Post by jstalljon on Sept 9, 2005 7:33:04 GMT -5
Maybe I'll show my ignorance here, but I don't think it really matters which way the off color vane faces as long as you nock is adjusted accordingly so any vane clears your rest.
I personally used to shoot so the off veign was left. When I bought my new bow and switched to GT 5575 arrows they guy at the shop cut and set up my arrows where the off vane was down. Of course with the carbons you can put a quarter in the nock and turn it to the desired location...
I'll be interested to see other's input on this one...good question jajwrigh.
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Post by mbogo on Sept 9, 2005 7:59:56 GMT -5
I agree, I have never noticed any difference whichever way the cock vane is facing with my whisker biscuit. I have more than once shot one facing left followed by one facing down and have not noticed a difference in impact. However, I do make sure the vanes are all oriented the same way before hunting though.
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Post by jdmiller on Sept 9, 2005 8:18:29 GMT -5
The is going to sound rediculous, but whish direction does your off color vane face (right handed shooters) left or up? I am asking how you nock your arrows. I was recently told to do it differently by the shop and that may be why my shots are all over the place. Let me know....now I feel like I am starting the sport of archery all over again! jajwrigh : I read in another thread you were shooting a whisker biscuit . With a shoot through rest it shouldnt make that much difference but I think the manufacture says shoot with the cock vane up or down . This probably wont cure a fishtailing problem . I suggest getting your hands on a bow square and checking knock orientation then check center shot . Paper tune from about 6ft adjust as necessary . If you changed draw weight ,arrows or field tip / broadhead weight it could be a spine issue . A whole lot of people may disagree with me but I wasnt real pleased with mine . The basic principles of the whisker biscuit are great and I think they are a great hunting rest ...however they are not for everyone . I tried everything but kept getting a high left tear that I couldnt fix . They were terrible on fletchings if you shoot a lot . Feathers seem to be better than vanes but neither will last long . I was constantly refletching arrows. On a side note some of my buddies swear by them and think they are the best on the market . That being said I switched back to a tm hunter style rest . I have a NAP quicktune 3000 on my Legacy and its micro tunable and works great . Its a whole lot of a personal preference thing . I have shot this style for a very long time and never really had a issue of my arrow coming off the rest . I also think you need the adjustabillity to compensate for shooting form . Hand placement and grip can cause alot of problems and for some people they never can get "perfect " arrow flight no matter what they try....they just settle for the best they can get . Poor arrow flight robs speed and kinetic energy and if your like me I spend a lot of time trying to get all the bugs worked out . Hopefully you can get the problem corrected ..it may only take some minor adjusting . Easton has a tuning guide you can download and its good tuning information . Good Luck !
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Post by dec on Sept 9, 2005 8:22:52 GMT -5
The only thing that impacts your vane position is the type of rest that you use. If you use a T.M. prong type rest, then the cock vane must be down. If you use the new wisker biscut rest w/ the black & brown bristles, then the cock vane should be up, so that no vane passes through the stiffer black bristles. If you use a fall way, then it does not matter how your cock vane is positioned, so long as your rest is tuned to fall properly.
A lot of guys like the cock vane pointed sideways so that when at full draw the vane contacts their face at some distinct location. This profides another constant for a solid anchor point.
Outside of that it makes no difference what so ever as to the orientation of your cock feather. I feel that the only important thing is that you be consistant in the cock vane position. This will help you establish a relable and repeatable anchor point.
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 9, 2005 9:54:08 GMT -5
With a biscuit shoot the cock vane up. I personally shoot all white vanes, blazers, but still shoot with one vane straight up. I found if i shot cock vane down the vane would tear at the front. Make sure to use a tougher vane with biscuits. if your arrows are fish tailing then most likely the vanes are hitting something. use lipstick on the vane edges and see if it marks the bow anywhere. h.h.
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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 9, 2005 12:47:07 GMT -5
All excellent responses guys! I really appreciate the speedy and thorough feedback. I used to shoot with the cock vane to the side with no problems. I was told to shoot with it up and the problems began. I had the string release replaced, new peep, and cam tuning done. I am sure the checked my nocking point before they installed the string release. When I get home from work today I will try shooting with the vanes back to the side. From there I will try the lipstick idea.
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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 9, 2005 18:25:26 GMT -5
The only thing that impacts your vane position is the type of rest that you use. If you use a T.M. prong type rest, then the cock vane must be down. If you use the new wisker biscut rest w/ the black & brown bristles, then the cock vane should be up, so that no vane passes through the stiffer black bristles. If you use a fall way, then it does not matter how your cock vane is positioned, so long as your rest is tuned to fall properly. A lot of guys like the cock vane pointed sideways so that when at full draw the vane contacts their face at some distinct location. This profides another constant for a solid anchor point. Outside of that it makes no difference what so ever as to the orientation of your cock feather. I feel that the only important thing is that you be consistant in the cock vane position. This will help you establish a relable and repeatable anchor point. I think you hit the nail on the head on this one. I adjusted my arrows with the cock vane to the left and now its back to normal. I think the problem lied with the vanes touching the black bristles. It actually makes a ton of sense. Good shooting guys! ;D
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Post by psychobubba on Sept 9, 2005 20:46:40 GMT -5
have two prong rest cock vein down 3 deg off set to the right 2"blazers
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