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Post by swilk on Oct 5, 2017 16:49:03 GMT -5
I much prefer GOA over the NRA.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 5, 2017 17:48:17 GMT -5
Bump stocks are just away to get around the machine gun laws that are in place from what I have read and heard! Well you've read wrong. Bump stocks were investigated by the ATF during the Obama administration prior to any production at all and declared perfectly legal by the ATF. "Bump fire" is a technique, not an item and you can do it with any semi-auto rifle. The bump stock is nothing more than a tool to assist the technique. No law ever in existence in the 250 year history of this nation would have accomplished a single thing to stem this incident. No law or law change ever proposed in congress or the senate ever in history would have prevented this tragedy. All any law propose before or proposed in the last few days by the idiots in the media would have accomplished ANYTHING BUT MADE THIS INCIDENT MORE DEADLY. They are now in a panic because they found some bullet holes in fuel tanks a half a mile away and the emotional know nothings think he was "trying to blow up the fuel tanks...". It's stupid. The crowd he was shooting at was 2-300 yards away. The gun is jumping around on your shoulder even with a bump stock, it's NOT a sniper weapon, it is a spray and pray like BA and the A-team. I'd be surprised if they don't find bullet holes further away that that if it hadn't been an air field. Controlled, aimed fire of a semi auto and it could have EASILY been 250 or more dead instead of 58.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 5, 2017 18:12:44 GMT -5
Guess time will tell.....but it sure looks like change is coming with regulating bump stocks.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 5, 2017 18:14:13 GMT -5
I recall a video several years back that showed the difference in accuracy between a semi-auto and an automatic. The semi was MUCH more accurate. As Jack said, the automatics are more spray and pray you hit something..
Now for you guys that are in the know - What is the difference in the rate of fire between a semi-auto and an automatic? I would think with a hair trigger on a semi and a fast finger one could almost duplicate an automatic rate of fire. True or not?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 18:15:42 GMT -5
I was listening to Savage last night and he had interview of a couple that was there and they stated that there where high and lower frequency guns and single shot guns, plus they both thought and the police that it came from ground level. So both Mark Levin and Savage have interview with similar accounts. Something fishy with the media. I think they don't want that information out to panic us and lose some Las Vegas tourist.
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Post by swilk on Oct 5, 2017 18:18:38 GMT -5
I recall a video several years back that showed the difference in accuracy between a semi-auto and an automatic. The semi was MUCH more accurate. As Jack said, the automatics are more spray and pray you hit something.. Now for you guys that are in the know - What is the difference in the rate of fire between a semi-auto and an automatic? I would think with a hair trigger on a semi and a fast finger one could almost duplicate an automatic rate of fire. True or not? . Bout half as fast as an auto depending on several things. And that is with Jerry on the trigger or using bumpfire.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 5, 2017 19:02:42 GMT -5
I recall a video several years back that showed the difference in accuracy between a semi-auto and an automatic. The semi was MUCH more accurate. As Jack said, the automatics are more spray and pray you hit something.. Now for you guys that are in the know - What is the difference in the rate of fire between a semi-auto and an automatic? I would think with a hair trigger on a semi and a fast finger one could almost duplicate an automatic rate of fire. True or not? . Bout half as fast as an auto depending on several things. And that is with Jerry on the trigger or using bumpfire. What about when a slide fire or bumpfire is used how much faster is the rate then? Seen any of that info going around?
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Post by swilk on Oct 5, 2017 19:11:28 GMT -5
An M16 has an auto rate of about 8-900 rounds per minute. Jerry has shot 10 rounds on 3 targets in 1.59 seconds which would be 375 rounds a minute if he could continue for a full minute which I suspect he couldn't. A bumpfire might be 4-500 per minute.
I'm not sure the gun itself would survive in a minute of continuous auto fire....it'd be warm for sure.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 5, 2017 19:56:19 GMT -5
Wayne LaPierre from NRA will be on Fox News tonight at 9pm...
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 5, 2017 20:04:55 GMT -5
I don't give a rip about bumpstocks. Never had one, don't want one. I don't care if you can't buy them anymore.
Problem is, we all know that it won't end with banning bumpstocks. Then it'll be suppressors, high-cap mags, adjustable stocks, semi-auto actions, background checks for ammo purchases, and on and on until they've completely whittled away our rights. If you give an inch they'll try and take a mile.
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Post by swilk on Oct 5, 2017 20:07:41 GMT -5
I had an interesting conversation with a friend on Facebook...
I'd be willing to give if I also got. Give me national handgun carry and I'll give you expanded background checks.
No get, no give.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 5, 2017 20:34:00 GMT -5
I don't give a rip about bumpstocks. Never had one, don't want one. I don't care if you can't buy them anymore. Problem is, we all know that it won't end with banning bumpstocks. Then it'll be suppressors, high-cap mags, adjustable stocks, semi-auto actions, background checks for ammo purchases, and on and on until they've completely whittled away our rights. If you give an inch they'll try and take a mile. The NRA is not wanting to bann or seize these items...... simply regulate, from what I am hearing and reading!
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Post by jackryan on Oct 5, 2017 20:43:11 GMT -5
I recall a video several years back that showed the difference in accuracy between a semi-auto and an automatic. The semi was MUCH more accurate. As Jack said, the automatics are more spray and pray you hit something.. Now for you guys that are in the know - What is the difference in the rate of fire between a semi-auto and an automatic? I would think with a hair trigger on a semi and a fast finger one could almost duplicate an automatic rate of fire. True or not? . Ed McGivern did it 80 years ago with a standard Smith and Wesson K38. AND could keep them all on a deck of cards doing it. If he had gone nuts would we be having this conversation about double action revolvers?
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Post by swilk on Oct 5, 2017 20:45:17 GMT -5
I've already heard Republican lawmakers talk about them ... Their days are likely numbered. At least in their current form of availability.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 5, 2017 20:46:55 GMT -5
An M16 has an auto rate of about 8-900 rounds per minute. Jerry has shot 10 rounds on 3 targets in 1.59 seconds which would be 375 rounds a minute if he could continue for a full minute which I suspect he couldn't. A bumpfire might be 4-500 per minute. I'm not sure the gun itself would survive in a minute of continuous auto fire....it'd be warm for sure. I've seen in person an standard semi auto AK bump fired almost to the melting point, to where it was too hot to hold and shoot with out gloves on. It was literally smoking EVERY WHERE when the shooter threw it on the ground after ripping off mag after mag after mag until it was literally to hot to hold it even with gloves. With NO BUMP STOCK. It was laying on the ground in the dirt smoldering and smoking for a long time after.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2017 6:13:02 GMT -5
In a DUI, we blame the driver. In a bombing, we blame the bomber. In a shooting, we blame the gun!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 6:26:44 GMT -5
In a DUI, we blame the driver. In a bombing, we blame the bomber. In a shooting, we blame the gun! Some blame the gun and they call the person a shooter. Good common sense Americans blame the person and call the person a murderer. Don't drink the kool aid.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2017 6:34:59 GMT -5
I agree..... my question is why does the "GUN" most always get the blame?
BTW...If your looking to get a bump fire stock you may want to do that now before they become regulated.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 6, 2017 6:43:33 GMT -5
I was listening to Savage last night and he had interview of a couple that was there and they stated that there where high and lower frequency guns and single shot guns, plus they both thought and the police that it came from ground level. So both Mark Levin and Savage have interview with similar accounts. Something fishy with the media. I think they don't want that information out to panic us and lose some Las Vegas tourist. Sounds are going to echo like crazy in an area like that and with all that was going on who knows how people's minds are going to interpret what their sense are taking in. Most people are pretty ignorant about firearms to start with too. I would not put stock in any "eyewitness" account. They aren't very reliable anyways.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2017 7:31:14 GMT -5
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