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Post by jackryan on Oct 9, 2017 11:58:14 GMT -5
I'm about as pro gun, pro second amendment as it gets, but the current trend in firearms is a bit disturbing. Twenty years ago, when you went to a gun show there were lots of sporting arms; shotguns, rifles, pistols, muzzle loaders, collectibles, antique firearms, etc. Go to one now and it is heavily dominated by the black plastic semi auto rifles, tactical shotguns, high capacity mag pistols, self defense weapons, all kinds of crazy ammunition's, etc. ..... almost none of which is being used by hunters and sportsmen. The crowds at these shows isn't the same anymore either. Whole lot of scary looking dudes walking around with AR's on their shoulder in a black trench coat and military boots. These aren't the guys that discuss things on this forum, most will never even go hunting. I'd trust most of you folks to own an AR and be safe and responsible with it, but looking around at who is buying a lot of the guns today, I can't say I'm comfortable with it. I really think the "quasi military" type guns have become a bit too cheap, too easy to get hold of are now owned by too many folks that don't own them for practical purposes. Be honest, an AR with a few hi-cap mags is a much more dangerous and potentially deadly weapon than a semi auto duck gun or even a Ruger ranch rifle with 8 round mag in the hands of a nut job with bad intentions. Perhaps the major manufacturers should work together and come up with a solution such as limiting production, jacking the prices way up, a big tax, etc. before big brother jumps in and starts banning things. I don't care anything about those guys. They don't bother me a bit EXCEPT when they think the price of a gun buys them the right to trespass as they please or to use the public wild life resources as their target range because "it would be awesome to hunt with..." Just being a gun owner doesn't give them any more business dictating what their "hunting rights" should be than my owning an AR15 should give me announcing the new rules for 3 gun competitions.
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Post by hornzilla on Oct 9, 2017 14:33:58 GMT -5
I'm about as pro gun, pro second amendment as it gets, but the current trend in firearms is a bit disturbing. Twenty years ago, when you went to a gun show there were lots of sporting arms; shotguns, rifles, pistols, muzzle loaders, collectibles, antique firearms, etc. Go to one now and it is heavily dominated by the black plastic semi auto rifles, tactical shotguns, high capacity mag pistols, self defense weapons, all kinds of crazy ammunition's, etc. ..... almost none of which is being used by hunters and sportsmen. The crowds at these shows isn't the same anymore either. Whole lot of scary looking dudes walking around with AR's on their shoulder in a black trench coat and military boots. These aren't the guys that discuss things on this forum, most will never even go hunting. I'd trust most of you folks to own an AR and be safe and responsible with it, but looking around at who is buying a lot of the guns today, I can't say I'm comfortable with it. I really think the "quasi military" type guns have become a bit too cheap, too easy to get hold of are now owned by too many folks that don't own them for practical purposes. Be honest, an AR with a few hi-cap mags is a much more dangerous and potentially deadly weapon than a semi auto duck gun or even a Ruger ranch rifle with 8 round mag in the hands of a nut job with bad intentions. Perhaps the major manufacturers should work together and come up with a solution such as limiting production, jacking the prices way up, a big tax, etc. before big brother jumps in and starts banning things. You start singling out one parts of your rights and they will take it and run. Then they will single them all out. Never give a inch to those that want a mile. As for being so deadly I do not agree at all. That semi duck gun with a extended mag loaded with double 00 buck. Would be a weapon that would put a AR "black rifle" to shame if a wacko opened up on a crowd.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 9, 2017 16:54:40 GMT -5
Greetings Not going to say much as it has nothing to do with me. But You have all heard the horror stories about gun ownership over here Well my friends it's rubbish. In 44 years i have never had a minutes bother getting the guns i want or need to hunt. Yes they check me but I have nothing to hide. No I cannot have a semi rifle bigger than 22rimfire but I don't want or need one. Some folk do have military style semi Auto 22rimfire rifles,not a problem. I can have a 375 or anything i want if I have a reason for it, I have seven shotguns not a problem. You can bring your guns here to hunt no problem I know I know you are different over there. But don't believe it's as bad here as folks make out because it's not. Regards Billy.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 9, 2017 16:57:30 GMT -5
there isn't an inch to give the liberals that want ALL our guns. If we give up a stupid gimmick like a bump stock, whatever, give us reciprocity. You can bang your head all day long, but some of those weird types that buy a bunch of black rifles and ammunition may save your life or someone else life in a marshal law situation. That shooter could have dropped a home made bomb from household chemicals just as easy as shot a bunch of rifles. We have to protect every right we have left. There really isn't any other option, unfortunately.
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Post by swilk on Oct 9, 2017 17:11:32 GMT -5
Greetings Not going to say much as it has nothing to do with me. But You have all heard the horror stories about gun ownership over here Well my friends it's rubbish. In 44 years i have never had a minutes bother getting the guns i want or need to hunt. Yes they check me but I have nothing to hide. No I cannot have a semi rifle bigger than 22rimfire but I don't want or need one. Some folk do have military style semi Auto 22rimfire rifles,not a problem. I can have a 375 or anything i want if I have a reason for it, I have seven shotguns not a problem. You can bring your guns here to hunt no problem I know I know you are different over there. But don't believe it's as bad here as folks make out because it's not. Regards Billy. Hunt. Reason. Need. Words that are not found in our constitution and play no part in our right to bear arms. I've got a safe full of guns I don't hunt with. I have no reason to own them. I don't need them. I just wanted them.
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Post by duff on Oct 9, 2017 18:44:06 GMT -5
Greetings Not going to say much as it has nothing to do with me. But You have all heard the horror stories about gun ownership over here Well my friends it's rubbish. In 44 years i have never had a minutes bother getting the guns i want or need to hunt. Yes they check me but I have nothing to hide. No I cannot have a semi rifle bigger than 22rimfire but I don't want or need one. Some folk do have military style semi Auto 22rimfire rifles,not a problem. I can have a 375 or anything i want if I have a reason for it, I have seven shotguns not a problem. You can bring your guns here to hunt no problem I know I know you are different over there. But don't believe it's as bad here as folks make out because it's not. Regards Billy. Hunt. Reason. Need. Words that are not found in our constitution and play no part in our right to bear arms. I've got a safe full of guns I don't hunt with. I have no reason to own them. I don't need them. I just wanted them. Exactly
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Post by swilk on Oct 10, 2017 7:40:48 GMT -5
An updated timeline of events ....
9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.
10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.
10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.
10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.
10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room.
10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They no longer hear gunfire.
10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to Paddock’s room.
11:20 p.m.: Officers enter the room. They see Paddock on the ground and a second door that could not be accessed from their position.
11:27 p.m.: A second breach is set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 10, 2017 8:06:15 GMT -5
Hmmm.. why did he stop shooting? Run out of ammo or his guns all jammed?
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Post by swilk on Oct 10, 2017 8:17:17 GMT -5
Dont know. Timeline tells me the bumpstock might not have played much, if any, part in this. He had enough time to send as many shots downrange as he wanted.
Thats a long time to know precisely where a man (who is killing folks) is located before actually engaging him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 8:52:12 GMT -5
Listen to this video. Some shoots are close and others sound far away. Some sounds sound different from different guns. The taxi driver does not move and he even stated that the shoots sound farther away. The first 55 seconds. The other background sounds stays the same. Not a window open/close thing. Just listen without watching www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8x5YBf1gQ
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Post by swilk on Oct 10, 2017 9:05:08 GMT -5
Youre really, really buying into this conspiracy thing arent you.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 9:15:24 GMT -5
Youre really, really buying into this conspiracy thing arent you..... Yes - there is a lot of false fake news out there. A lot of brain washing news. Media calls him a shooter. He is not a shooter, he is a murderer an evil person. Even the taxi driver was intelligent enough to recognize the difference in gun fire. I would think the gun was pointed in the same direction or at least within a few degrees. Don't drink the kool-aid and believe everything you read.
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Post by swilk on Oct 10, 2017 9:30:34 GMT -5
I would think you are wrong. Very.
A very broad area and the shooter could retreat into his room as he fired. Sound characteristics could change drastically.
Obviously you are free to think what you want though ....
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 10, 2017 10:37:07 GMT -5
I would think you are wrong. Very. A very broad area and the shooter could retreat into his room as he fired. Sound characteristics could change drastically. Obviously you are free to think what you want though .... I think he could have done just as much damage with a semi-auto and no bump stock.. he could then pick out individual targets
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Post by jackryan on Oct 10, 2017 10:52:22 GMT -5
I would think you are wrong. Very. A very broad area and the shooter could retreat into his room as he fired. Sound characteristics could change drastically. Obviously you are free to think what you want though .... I think he could have done just as much damage with a semi-auto and no bump stock.. he could then pick out individual targets OR... he could have just bought a few legit full auto rifles. Why not? He would have passed any background check. Cost was no object apparently and even then it's just a $200 tax stamp. He could have had all the suppressors he wanted if he'd thought they would make any difference. Just one legit select fire rifle could have done a lot more damage. Even just a plain old semi auto rifle. Honestly just a hundred year old Garand COULD have done a lot more damage AND penetrated those fuel tanks AND probably got tracers in 30-06 to ignite the spilled fuel. These people all in a panic and hand wringing over why why why are just fools. They should be thanking God it wasn't any worse. The ONE thing that could possibly made a difference, no one dare mention. If that security guard had been armed all those people at the concert might not even be aware today anything ever happened.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 10, 2017 13:10:28 GMT -5
Listen to this video. Some shoots are close and others sound far away. Some sounds sound different from different guns. The taxi driver does not move and he even stated that the shoots sound farther away. The first 55 seconds. The other background sounds stays the same. Not a window open/close thing. Just listen without watching www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8x5YBf1gQ I've seen the video before. What I don't recall it stating is where exactly the taxi is in relationship to both broken windows. If he is on the street on the window on the end of the building for the "close" shots, then shots from the other window would sound "far" away. The building is curved and the gun would be pointed away from the recording devise and the sound waves distorted by the curvature of the building.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 13:35:52 GMT -5
Listen to this video. Some shoots are close and others sound far away. Some sounds sound different from different guns. The taxi driver does not move and he even stated that the shoots sound farther away. The first 55 seconds. The other background sounds stays the same. Not a window open/close thing. Just listen without watching www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8x5YBf1gQ I've seen the video before. What I don't recall it stating is where exactly the taxi is in relationship to both broken windows. If he is on the street on the window on the end of the building for the "close" shots, then shots from the other window would sound "far" away. The building is curved and the gun would be pointed away from the recording devise and the sound waves distorted by the curvature of the building. Maybe, I thought of that. So he might have ran from window to window in the first 8-9 seconds. Not sure if that's even possible and why would he do that in 8-9 seconds. Hopefully, I'm wrong and there was only one murder, but not sure.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 10, 2017 16:58:23 GMT -5
I've seen the video before. What I don't recall it stating is where exactly the taxi is in relationship to both broken windows. If he is on the street on the window on the end of the building for the "close" shots, then shots from the other window would sound "far" away. The building is curved and the gun would be pointed away from the recording devise and the sound waves distorted by the curvature of the building. Maybe, I thought of that. So he might have ran from window to window in the first 8-9 seconds. Not sure if that's even possible and why would he do that in 8-9 seconds. Hopefully, I'm wrong and there was only one murder, but not sure. Both windows were in the same hotel suite. Not tough at all to shoot, drop a gun, Grab another gun while changing positions, and start firing again.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 10, 2017 17:32:34 GMT -5
Greetings Not going to say much as it has nothing to do with me. But You have all heard the horror stories about gun ownership over here Well my friends it's rubbish. In 44 years i have never had a minutes bother getting the guns i want or need to hunt. Yes they check me but I have nothing to hide. No I cannot have a semi rifle bigger than 22rimfire but I don't want or need one. Some folk do have military style semi Auto 22rimfire rifles,not a problem. I can have a 375 or anything i want if I have a reason for it, I have seven shotguns not a problem. You can bring your guns here to hunt no problem I know I know you are different over there. But don't believe it's as bad here as folks make out because it's not. Regards Billy. Hunt. Reason. Need. Words that are not found in our constitution and play no part in our right to bear arms. I've got a safe full of guns I don't hunt with. I have no reason to own them. I don't need them I just wanted them. simple difference over there it is your right over here it is a privilege
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Post by firstwd on Oct 10, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
simple difference over there it is your right over here it is a privilege And that fundamental difference is what so many of us fight to keep.
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