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Post by trapperdave on Oct 6, 2017 23:50:55 GMT -5
Word has it with new HPR rifle regs, the previously allowed on public land pistol cartridge rifles are no longer allowed on public land
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 7, 2017 4:51:52 GMT -5
I just read the hunting regulations. Looks same as last year. The only change I saw was the use of HPR on private land only.
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Post by beermaker on Oct 7, 2017 5:10:51 GMT -5
Page 23 of the guide, under centerfire rifles and right above the Butcher Supply ad, clearly states that they can be used "on public and private land."
I just happened to have the guide sitting next to my computer.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 7, 2017 5:25:46 GMT -5
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htmIt's true. Click "Equipment", then read the second question under that section. The new HPR law accidentally prohibited PCR's on public land.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 7, 2017 5:38:11 GMT -5
Morrison has been saying this since the latest regs were passed. There is a statement posted by the DNR on Facebook stating this as well.
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Post by welder on Oct 7, 2017 5:53:37 GMT -5
I don't hunt public land,but after reading this thread and checking the regulations, it sounds like all rifle cartridges are illegal on public ground?
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 7, 2017 6:13:03 GMT -5
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htmIt's true. Click "Equipment", then read the second question under that section. The new HPR law accidentally prohibited PCR's on public land. I could see how that could generate some confusion because the wording states “all rifle calibers are no longer allowed on public land even though the DNR allowed them for years” However.. that wouldn’t hold up because the hunting regulations clearly define legal cartridges for public land hunting. So I would not use the “frequently asked questions section” as a rule or law. The hunting regulations guide is the “Bible” in hunting for everyone including CO’s. It wouldn’t hurt for someone if they wanted to take this a step further and call the dnr.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 6:13:08 GMT -5
IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report
Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 6:15:02 GMT -5
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htmIt's true. Click "Equipment", then read the second question under that section. The new HPR law accidentally prohibited PCR's on public land. I could see how that could generate some confusion because the wording states “all rifle calibers are no longer allowed on public land even though the DNR allowed them for years” However.. that wouldn’t hold up because the hunting regulations clearly define legal cartridges for public land hunting. So I would not use the “frequently asked questions section” as a rule or law. Tell you what somebody should take this a step further and call the dnr. They already have.... NO RIFLES on public land is the answer at the current time...
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 7, 2017 6:18:03 GMT -5
One thing I’d like to point out is there is a distinguished difference between centerpoint rifles using a pistol chambering and high power rifles using .243 or larger. In some context the DNR needs to clarify the differences, because I think what we’re reading is “no rifles allowed” however I believe they imply “no HPR’s allowed” in the hunting guide it has them listed separately.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 6:19:59 GMT -5
www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htmIt's true. Click "Equipment", then read the second question under that section. The new HPR law accidentally prohibited PCR's on public land. And hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer with ANY RIFLE
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 7, 2017 6:22:10 GMT -5
Right. You can’t have more than 10 rounds while hunting with a rifle
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 6:23:00 GMT -5
One thing I’d like to point out is there is a distinguished difference between centerpoint rifles using a pistol chambering and high power rifles using .243 or larger. In some context the DNR needs to clarify the differences, because I think what we’re reading is “no rifles allowed” however I believe they imply “no HPR’s allowed” in the hunting guide it has them listed separately. The hunting guide has been wrong before and is not the finial word! Here is the code... IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7. post from CO page here.... hunt-indiana.com/thread/58735/follow-previous-question-rifles-ammo
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Post by js2397 on Oct 7, 2017 6:26:44 GMT -5
This is in the hunting guide book:
Rifles chambered for cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger, have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches are legal to use only during the deer firearms, youth, reduction zones from Nov. 18-Jan. 31 (in zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm), and special antlerless seasons. These rifle cartridges can be used on public and private land.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 6:36:29 GMT -5
This is in the hunting guide book: Rifles chambered for cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger, have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches are legal to use only during the deer firearms, youth, reduction zones from Nov. 18-Jan. 31 (in zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm), and special antlerless seasons. These rifle cartridges can be used on public and private land.Here is the NEW IC code.. IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 7, 2017 6:37:16 GMT -5
HEA1415 took effect AFTER the hunting regs were printed. It wasn't the Legislature's intention to ban PCR's from public land, but it happened. Multiple DNR Facebook pages have already confirmed it.
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 7, 2017 6:38:25 GMT -5
In response to JS2397: Right, however Greg listed Indiana Code. So that is what law enforcement would go by. I plan to call DNR for more info, but that will be AFTER I get out of the hunting woods this morning! 😊
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Post by firstwd on Oct 7, 2017 6:50:19 GMT -5
If you want to take the amended HPR rule as also amending the old PCR rule, that means ALL rifles will become illegal June 30, 2020 unless new legislation is written to continue their use.
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Post by js2397 on Oct 7, 2017 6:54:19 GMT -5
Now would be a good time for the director of the DNR to institute an emergency rule. I bet many youth hunted public ground with PCR's and many will hunt with them on public ground during the regular season.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2017 7:01:09 GMT -5
If you want to take the amended HPR rule as also amending the old PCR rule, that means ALL rifles will become illegal June 30, 2020 unless new legislation is written to continue their use. Do you Honesty think this can be changed this year especially being it came from new legislation? I think a lot folks know the intent of the New law but it seems there been a mistake in the process.
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