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Post by Decatur on Feb 22, 2006 8:26:06 GMT -5
I just heard that the State Government voted to close 54 Game Bird Preserves to "create an even playing field" due to deer/elk ranch closings. I don't really understand their logic. They are completely different.
1. Most have no fences, let alone high fences.
2. No fear of CWD
I have never hunted one, but this sounds like a "makeup call" due to pressure from deer/elk ranchers.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 22, 2006 8:49:57 GMT -5
I just heard that the State Government voted to close 54 Game Bird Preserves to "create an even playing field" due to deer/elk ranch closings. I don't really understand their logic. They are completely different. 1. Most have no fences, let alone high fences. 2. No fear of CWD I have never hunted one, but this sounds like a "makeup call" due to pressure from deer/elk ranchers. Which bill was that? It does sound like a "get even" or "let's stir the crap up" move... |
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Post by Decatur on Feb 22, 2006 9:21:00 GMT -5
Not sure, just heard about it on the radio this morning.
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 22, 2006 9:25:01 GMT -5
It is SB-77 and was amended by Representative David Wolkins. And yes I believe it is a move by the high fencers to get even with bird hunters who don't agree with them.
Jack
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Post by birddog on Feb 22, 2006 9:33:16 GMT -5
Shooting birds on the fly and shooting deer or elk is one hell of a big difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 22, 2006 9:42:56 GMT -5
It is SB-77 and was amended by Representative David Wolkins. And yes I believe it is a move by the high fencers to get even with bird hunters who don't agree with them. Jack So, where does it go from here, Jack?? Who do we need to contact?? |
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 22, 2006 9:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by bsutravis on Feb 22, 2006 10:10:25 GMT -5
I wonder if they will move to end put and take at State properties?  ?? Not much difference. High fence operations are a totally different situation than bird preserves...... If they are gonna end all "confined" hunting, what next....end all fishing in lakes that don't have a feeder stream so the fish can "escape" They are taking it too far now! |
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Post by shinglemonkey on Feb 22, 2006 10:56:38 GMT -5
If we cant have fair chase on every game animal then there shoud be no preserves/game farms.Its not fair to the birds if the deer and elk are set free.  |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Feb 22, 2006 12:11:54 GMT -5
It is SB-77 and was amended by Representative David Wolkins. And yes I believe it is a move by the high fencers to get even with bird hunters who don't agree with them. Jack As I said last week, Wolkins needs to be slapped upside the head. By the way, what kind of retriever do you guys recommend for deer & elk. Also, just curious as to how much of a lead is recommended on flying deer & elk. |
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 22, 2006 13:37:41 GMT -5
It sounds like the original sponsors of the bill will take care of this amendment in committee but we still need to keep an eye on it and still need to raise some kind of hell. Obviously an attempt to drive a wedge between the bird hunters and the Deer Alliance. It won't work.
Jack
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Post by kevin1 on Feb 22, 2006 13:56:54 GMT -5
Nothing but a candyassed attempt by the deer procurers to muddy the waters , it won't get past committee . Heck , their pet bill allowing them to exist didn't ! I never thought I'd hear myself say this but THANKS BLAH D'NEY ! ;D
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Post by rmc on Feb 22, 2006 14:40:25 GMT -5
Ole Rodney always liked to bring up the bird preserves.
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Post by jaybob on Feb 22, 2006 17:05:38 GMT -5
This is the exact thing I was afraid was going to happen when everybody was so dead set on running these high fenced opperations out.The two are so closely related that its bound to happen. People can say that they are not because a bird can fly away, but the bottom line is your paying for an animal that is put out for you to kill. And now that its being compared as the same, I bet it is not the last we here about it.
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Post by steiny on Feb 22, 2006 18:13:34 GMT -5
The guys who have been so insitent on shutting down the high fence deer hunt operators are to blame for this. They got the ball rolling.
This stuff is pure B.S. It just throws up one more road block against a landowner trying to make a buck off his ground, and both deer and bird preserves are one heck of a lot more environmentally friendly practices than fence to fence , road to road clean farming and confined hog, cattle, poultry operations. Unfortunately, that is about all that we'll be able to do legally on farm ground before too long.
What's next ..... pay ponds? petting zoos?
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Post by spike on Feb 23, 2006 8:43:54 GMT -5
The few "elite" who think they know what everyone needs got this mess started and now appears our worst nightmare will come true. They have opened the door for the Anti's and they are going to grab all they can. This is really a double wammy for some of the high fence guys. They own game preserves for quail as well, what a shame that a few are risking to ruin it for everyone.
I know for a fact that the legislators are hearing from the sportsmen and they do not want any of these outdoor opportunites taken away. In the end the sprotsmen will win and the Antis within the hunting community are going to be exposed.
During the summer meetings I heard the subject brought up about the quail preserves. The DNR said they wanted to get rid of it to but the timing was not right. Guess they felt they could slip it though anyway. They are in for a rude awakening !
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Post by gundude on Feb 23, 2006 9:30:05 GMT -5
The few "elite" who think they know what everyone needs got this mess started and now appears our worst nightmare will come true. They have opened the door for the Anti's and they are going to grab all they can. This is really a double wammy for some of the high fence guys. They own game preserves for quail as well, what a shame that a few are risking to ruin it for everyone. I know for a fact that the legislators are hearing from the sportsmen and they do not want any of these outdoor opportunites taken away. In the end the sprotsmen will win and the Antis within the hunting community are going to be exposed. During the summer meetings I heard the subject brought up about the quail preserves. The DNR said they wanted to get rid of it to but the timing was not right. Guess they felt they could slip it though anyway. They are in for a rude awakening ! Keep it up, your the best thing us "anti's" could ever hope for....... BTW You might want to consider running a two for one sale here in the near future.... |
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Post by spike on Feb 23, 2006 10:31:28 GMT -5
Editted....
Enough of the back and forth personal attacks..
If you two want to discuss the thread title - fine, otherwise personal attacks will not stand..
If you want to go at it tooth and claw - take it to PMs or email..
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 23, 2006 13:36:48 GMT -5
First and foremost SB-77 was written with the blessing of the IDNR because the Maeir Gamebird Farm lies within the old "violation" zone of 5 miles. The bill's intent was to reduce the zone to 1 mile from a state owned area. Doesn't sound like the IDNR wants to "get rid of them" to me when they are helping out like this.
It does however look more like sour grapes on somebody's part when they try to equate bird preserves that have been in LEGAL existence for decades with high fence cervid facilities that have been operating on the fringes for a few years and now find themselves caught without a legal standing.
Diseases from cervids? Check the latest issue of Outdoor Life and the cost of disposal of CWD infected deer and non-CWD infected deer that are tested in the state of Wisconsin. The costs are staggering. I saw no mention of pheasant-related diseases in this issue. If there were I would be fighting to close those preserves.
Jack
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Post by chicobrownbear on Feb 23, 2006 14:43:10 GMT -5
I thought this was a recipe thread. No quail butter? What about pheasant jam?
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