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Post by indianaboy on Jul 15, 2010 6:43:16 GMT -5
The earlier the season you are getting into the rut and many people are able to kill bucks so they have nothing to do the rest of the season but kill does. Makes sense to me... I know this probably isnt the right area for this but is there any proposed changes for price structure on tags?? Thats what is going to have to change for any of this to work.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2010 9:05:09 GMT -5
The earlier the season you are getting into the rut and many people are able to kill bucks so they have nothing to do the rest of the season but kill does. Makes sense to me... I know this probably isnt the right area for this but is there any proposed changes for price structure on tags?? Thats what is going to have to change for any of this to work. Yes sir.. The IDNR theory is blown out of the water with these early starting date. YEAR ....DATE OPEN....ANTLERED....ANTLERLESS
2004 November 13.... 6,146....... 6,807
2005 November 12.... -3,003...... 3,116I still can not beleive that the deer biologist hung his hat on comparing tow years and completely disregarded these years? What gives? |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 16, 2010 10:38:50 GMT -5
The earlier the season you are getting into the rut and many people are able to kill bucks so they have nothing to do the rest of the season but kill does. Makes sense to me... I know this probably isnt the right area for this but is there any proposed changes for price structure on tags?? Thats what is going to have to change for any of this to work. Yes sir.. The IDNR theory is blown out of the water with these early starting date. YEAR ....DATE OPEN....ANTLERED....ANTLERLESS
2004 November 13.... 6,146....... 6,807
2005 November 12.... -3,003...... 3,116I still can not beleive that the deer biologist hung his hat on comparing tow years and completely disregarded these years? What gives? "What gives"? It would throw their numbers in the pooper!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 16, 2010 14:39:27 GMT -5
They want what they want so badly that they are willing to use whatever numbers or stats ,or other things the get it .And what they want is no gun hunting in any part of the rut period .So that the trophy hunters who bow hunt can have the woods to themselves .They also have drank soooo much Koolaid that QDM has poured that they beleive that if they move the season back and shorten it that it will somehow miracuously produce Booners in every woods lot for them .
They are so saddly misstaken about that . This is Indiana our deer herd is a mish mosh of at least 4 differnet subspeices of deer bacause the Dnr stocked that many when the first deer were reintroduced here . So in fact when the so called experst say we have North woods sub spiecies verginous they are wrong we have some north woods in the deer herd yes but we also have dakotas and virginan and some from The deep south as well as southern NY. .It is just like our turkey population beleive it or not the turkey in all the counties surounding mine and mine are from Alabama ,So they are easterns yes but they are of the smallest breads of easterns . Our deer herds here are much the same .Throw in the fact that our state deer numbers swing up and down wildely as soil minarlization goes up and down as wildely the deer we hunt here are about as the Army seze "All that they can Be"
All I have posted is easily seen in print but it will take you guys some digging into it on the net and likely you will have to go to some sort of real library to check this out in archived material.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 17, 2010 22:03:48 GMT -5
To satisfy my curiosity, after a lot of frustration trying to use various programs, I was finally able to construct and post a graphic picture of the 2000 through 2009 data earlier posted by WW. This was regarding firearms season harvests, specifically how the number of antlered and antlerless deer differed from the previous year. The data were put into an Excel spreadsheet. Opening Date...Difference From Previous Year in November....ANTLERED...ANTLERLESS 12...............-3003......3116 13.................6146......6807 14.................597......-3955 15**.............1014......781 16.................3459......2384 17**..............982......-829 18**............-3876......276 **Data for opening dates of 15, 17, and 18 are averages for 2 years each  |
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Post by Decatur on Jul 17, 2010 23:39:54 GMT -5
Thanks! Now that, I can understand!
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Post by duff on Jul 18, 2010 7:01:06 GMT -5
Thanks! Now that, I can understand! Me too ;D Picture is worth a 1000 words. Thanks Cedarthicket, time well spent learning a new program. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 18, 2010 7:12:23 GMT -5
Thanks Cedarthicket..
Give me your email addy and I'll send you my Excel spreadsheet that has all the harvest numbers on it for the last eleven years.
Looks like we need to ste the opener as November 12 and 13 EVERY YEAR!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 8:01:57 GMT -5
Thanks Cedarthicket.. Give me your email addy and I'll send you my Excel spreadsheet that has all the harvest numbers on it for the last eleven years. Looks like we need to ste the opener as November 12 and 13 EVERY YEAR! Nope...your not looking at the big picture. The DNR (and the IDHA) want LESS bucks killed, so the later dates give them what they want. They don't give a crap about the antlerless harvest or they would have faciltated more by OTHER changes that they ignored. |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 18, 2010 8:41:39 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is the 17th is going to be the earliest possible start date if the downward trend continues I would hate to see the harvest numbers for the years when the season opens on the 24th.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 18, 2010 9:43:43 GMT -5
IMHO if this passes I believe that the harvest will decrease how much is debatable that said I believe it will likely be substantial . So if the DNR "really " wants to take many more does than they do now they will in just 3-5 years have to go another direction with the seasons and tag limits and prices . I believe that if we stay about the same in harvest numbers over the next 3 years the DNR will not change anything back or alter the seasons after the new rule passages .
So by all means shoot the same number of deer you always have if you want keep and enjoy the new later and shortened seasons .If you take 3 or 4 deer a year resist the desire to take that many and shoot say 1 or 2 deer then next 3 or 4 seasons . It is that simple if you have no willpower and keep shooting the same amount of deer you always have things will never change back or to the better. This is how every Gov agency works not just the DNR .They can claim success if the numbers stay the same of slightly increase .But if the numbers pail and fall the entire time then they are forced to claim failure no matter what reason they give and they will try to blame the hunters trust me and that is fine we are not machines and are not their employees to be told we did not do what they wanted us to do .
Because hunting is a sport / Hobby and that is all it is for 99% of the hunting public and the fact that they work for us the tax payers it falls right back on what appears to be their less than solid shoulders.
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Post by tenring on Jul 23, 2010 20:11:33 GMT -5
All this has been in the works for a long time, a bit of information that came my way confirmed my suspicions.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 23, 2010 20:35:41 GMT -5
All this has been in the works for a long time, a bit of information that came my way confirmed my suspicions. Sure it has its been in the works in quiet conversations behinde closed doors since the OBR was ppushed on us by the use of a poll that no matter howyou answerd it other than "Strongly dissagree " could be construed as a yes vote!! So its been years almost a decade would be my uneducated guess  |
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Post by tenring on Jul 23, 2010 21:04:03 GMT -5
Some outside influence was peddled in '05 and '06 would be my guesstimate.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 24, 2010 8:05:26 GMT -5
We are killing more deer, bucks and does, with the early starts. The very earliest start with this new proposal would be on the 17th. Look at the 17th and 18th kill numbers. They are down 3 to 4 thousand from the early starts.
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