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Post by Decatur on Sept 3, 2010 8:11:50 GMT -5
I thought only straight walled cartridges were allowed? Directly from the DNR website. It doesn't mention a cartridge having to be straight walled. You had me thinking there for a minute! "Rifles with cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches are legal to use only during the deer firearm season. Some cartridges legal for deer hunting include the .357 Magnum, .38-.40 Winchester, .41 Magnum, .41 Special, .44 Magnum, .44 Special, .44-.40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action Express, and .500 S&W."
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Post by danf on Sept 3, 2010 17:13:44 GMT -5
Hey danf, If I thinking correctly about this, the issues that you mention would be likely to pertain more to a lever gun than a single shot, such as a Handi or TC. Pointed bullets shouldn't be an issue with these. And, the crimp shouldn't be as critical, depending on powder ignition. I haven't been digging ditches in the heat, but my caffeine may not have kicked in yet, so what do ya think? I would agree with the lever/bolt guns being more of an issue. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it does need to be done carefully. By shortening the neck you run the risk of increased runout, which may not make a load greater than "minute of deer", but has the potential to open up groups considerably.
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Post by parson on Sept 3, 2010 18:30:42 GMT -5
"Runout". That's the word I couldn't think of. Concentricity kept coming to mind, but didn't sound right. That's the biggest potential problem I see with it.
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Post by huxbux on Sept 3, 2010 20:44:37 GMT -5
I thought only straight walled cartridges were allowed? Orginally that was the proposal, but that was changed by the final. Good deal then, less restrictions. As Forrest would say, "One less thing to worry about"
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Post by deerpreacher on Sept 8, 2010 17:43:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys. I don't hear alot of advantage when it comes to using the 35 rem., or at least enough to run out and spend the bucks for one.
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Post by maddog on Sept 10, 2010 7:04:19 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to play with my 45-70 marlin guide gun, this winter. I'm going to take some Hornady LE brass, and trim it to 1.8". Then I'm going to load some different bullets "out" to get back to the COL of the caliber. I'm gonna start with some made up dummy rounds, to make sure they cycle correctly. Then work up some loads to check for acuracy. If it works, I'm going to sell my marlin 1894, 44 mag., and hunt with my GG, in the fall of 2011. Provided of course, they actually get that part of the proposal passed. Sure would make things easier, if they just legalized the 45-70! ;D
maddog
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 10, 2010 9:03:07 GMT -5
With the tapered case of the 45-70 you may be trimming back far enough not to have much neck left for alignment or tension when loaded to original COL. Don't cut down many cases until you try a handful for results.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 10, 2010 11:56:50 GMT -5
I also have a 45/70 I want to use. I asked a guy at BFG about trimming 45/70 to 1.8. He was not all that high on the idea. He mentioned that the case walls are thicker as you go toward the case head, and a 1.8" case with a bullet seated, may chamber just fine, but may also cause a pressure spike.
I'm no expert, but I trust BFG's opinion more than my own. He also mentioned that some guys have used the 45/70 case cut to 1.625 and shot it that way. Whatever you do, proceed with caution, start with reduced loads and watch carefully for signs of pressure.
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Post by drs on Sept 10, 2010 13:31:42 GMT -5
I would never shorten any case and use without reaming out the neck of the case. When I form cases for my .458 X 2" rifle; I trim to 2 inches then ream out the neck to seat the bullet. If you don't do this pressure rates will soar! < USE CAUTION>
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Post by maddog on Sept 10, 2010 18:30:53 GMT -5
Boys, thanks for the responses. I'm gonna be cautious. I do have a Lee factory crimp die, that fits into the equation. Also, for deer hunting, I'm looking at below max/moderate loads, in the 1400-1600 fps.
i'll keep you posted, as things develop.
maddog
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Post by greenhunter on May 29, 2011 10:10:33 GMT -5
The .357 Herrett is now legal!!!!!
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Post by hornharvester on May 29, 2011 11:26:11 GMT -5
The .357 Herrett is now legal!!!!! Not unless the new rules are adopted. Hopefully we should know sometime in September. h.h.
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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 21, 2011 19:09:48 GMT -5
Let the games begin....for next season of course! So if I am understanding this correctly these will be the newly legal, standard, rifle calibers: 357 Herrett 460 S&W 450 Bushmaster 50 Beowulf Not to mention the wildcats!
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Post by parson on Sept 21, 2011 20:01:11 GMT -5
I've got my 44 mag and 357 max shooting pretty good. I'll likely stick with them. My main hunting ground is a close range proposition, 75 yards is about max.
However, it will be interesting to see what possibilities folks come up with.
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 21, 2011 20:37:58 GMT -5
Let the games begin....for next season of course! So if I am understanding this correctly these will be the newly legal, standard, rifle calibers: 243 WSSM 25 WSSM 6.8 SPC 7.62 x 39mm soviet 357 Herrett 460 S&W 450 Bushmaster 50 Beowulf Not to mention the wildcats! Only be legal in a PCR if they are .357 diameter or larger. In a handgun they already are legal. h.h.
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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 21, 2011 20:54:09 GMT -5
I was flying through a reloading manual and forgot that part H.H.! I modified my original post. I still get to use my 450 Bushmaster that is neglected in the back of my safe!
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Post by hookeye on Sept 22, 2011 0:56:20 GMT -5
For the .35 Rem shortened case guys...........doesn't Corbin make a cannelure tool?
If so just add the ring where you need it and crimp with your bullets seated at normal .35 Rem OAL.
No biggie going non crimp on single shots, but if using a repeater............
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Post by hookeye on Sept 22, 2011 1:00:02 GMT -5
Corbin cannelure tool is $140, close to .358 WSSM dies LOL. Gonna pay either way man, either way.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 22, 2011 6:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by parson on Sept 22, 2011 7:44:21 GMT -5
Wouldn't be necessary for a single shot would it?
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