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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 25, 2008 14:32:03 GMT -5
I took a 1.5 yr old doe at 80 yds last Saturday AM. Load was 100 gr Pyrodex RS and 350 gr. Hornady FPB. Gun was sighted in 2" high at 50, shot was perfect. The deer took 5-6 bounds and piled up.
The FPB made 2 50 cal holes. It did not appear to hit any shoulder or rib bones. Put a hole right through the top of the heart too. Can't complain that it didn't expand without hitting anything hard. Full penetration is what I'm after anyway.
I'd like to hear any reports on FPB performance, if there are other users out there.
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Post by oldhoyt on Dec 1, 2008 12:57:58 GMT -5
Was lucky enough to shoot another doe T-day AM. Another FPB pass-through. This time the bullet made a 1"x1.5" hole in the offside ribcage. Deer ran bt dropped in sight.
Still wanting to hear how FPBs work for others, and what they look like if anyone recovers on from a deer.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Dec 13, 2008 21:50:01 GMT -5
Love to tell you but I can't get the deer to cooperate.
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Post by dadfsr on Dec 25, 2008 16:27:37 GMT -5
I got some of the Hornady 350gr FPB's and was going to try using them during late muzzleloader season. Problem though-I couldn't get them to load in my Knight 50 cal. I was a little bit pushed for time before the season opened back so I only had about a 1/2 hour of daylight left when I tried to sight in with them so maybe I didn't really give them a good try. I still had enough of the lighter weight Powerbelts so I just went ahead and used them-even though I only got one hunt in in late season with no shots.
Anyone else have a problem with the Hornady's in a Knight?? They just seemed to be too big to even get started down the barrel. I like the idea of a heavier bullet but they won't do me any good if I can't get them loaded. I was used to getting "pass throughs" with plenty of tracking ease when I was using the lead Buffalo bullets but since I've switched to the Powerbelts I haven't had but one hole which makes tracking a little harder.
Oh yeah I've always used 100 gr of powder(now using the Triple 7) but am thinking that 150 might change the hole count??
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 26, 2008 13:52:06 GMT -5
I got some of the Hornady 350gr FPB's and was going to try using them during late muzzleloader season. Problem though-I couldn't get them to load in my Knight 50 cal. I was a little bit pushed for time before the season opened back so I only had about a 1/2 hour of daylight left when I tried to sight in with them so maybe I didn't really give them a good try. I still had enough of the lighter weight Powerbelts so I just went ahead and used them-even though I only got one hunt in in late season with no shots. Anyone else have a problem with the Hornady's in a Knight?? They just seemed to be too big to even get started down the barrel. I like the idea of a heavier bullet but they won't do me any good if I can't get them loaded. I was used to getting "pass throughs" with plenty of tracking ease when I was using the lead Buffalo bullets but since I've switched to the Powerbelts I haven't had but one hole which makes tracking a little harder. Oh yeah I've always used 100 gr of powder(now using the Triple 7) but am thinking that 150 might change the hole count?? 350 grain bullet and 150 grain of t-7 will loosen your teeth! Ive not shot those bullets so cant comment. What I do know about them is they are copper plated lead. If they are too tight for your bore then there is not much you can do to shoot them. h.h. |
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Post by oldhoyt on Dec 29, 2008 14:23:15 GMT -5
I had trouble starting them at first too. I was trying to be too gentle. Now I just center them as best I can in the QLA and give the short starter a good stout whack. They go down easy after that.
One thing you could try is to remove your breech plug and insert a bullet into that end and push it forward until it comes out the muzzle. Don't know how well that will work, but it's a thought, use a rod that will fit in the hollow base.
When I remove a load I save the bullet, they cost over $1 each, by pushing them out the breech. When I reload a previously loaded bullet, they drop right in.
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Post by ihunt2liv on Dec 31, 2008 10:09:58 GMT -5
I buy loose bullets and then buy the corresponding sabot/sleave from Knight for that bullet diameter. I love the Seirra Game King bullets in 300gr. They are a semi-jacketed deep hollow-point bullet. The bullet performs perfectly on deer, mushrooming and great retention. I have recovered several just under the hide on the opposite side of entry. I would rather have energy transfer as opposed to 2 holes. I'm shooting a Knight Disc .50 withh 110gr. Triple 7 with Hogdon primers.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 8, 2009 9:20:56 GMT -5
Sooner or later, not having a pass-through will cost you a deer. Perhaps not on a well-shot deer, but more likely on a marginal hit that occurred for whatever reason. Then you'll be wishing for another source of blood to trail. The energy transfer thing is debatable with MLs, even on good shots. With marginal hits it doesn't hold any water. What happens to a lot of deer hit poorly with high powered rifles that produce greater energy transfer than any ML could hope for? They walk off and die and are often not recovered.
One thing I think is interesting, the bullet hits the deer with about the same or less energy than the rifle hits you with (For every action there is an equal, opposite reaction). The energy is applied differently yes, but it is about the same total energy. Sheds a little different light on the energy transfer thing.
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Post by dadfsr on Jan 8, 2009 18:02:48 GMT -5
I'll agree with oldhoyt-I would much rather have two holes squirting blood, especially with the bigger exit hole, than one small hole and not a lot anything to track with when in heavy cover. I seem to take a lot of my better deer right at the edge of heavy cover and don't have a lot of time or ability to see where they go since I stillhunt. I have never had a problem tracking a deer with two holes in it while there has been at least one lost that I know of that only had one hole in it because it wasn't found until too late.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 9, 2009 8:47:25 GMT -5
Speaking of FPBs, they are $9 at WalMart. I just bought 2 packs, less than half price.
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Post by hardwickbv on Jan 9, 2009 20:41:27 GMT -5
I bought 5 packs for $9 each Friday at the Bloomington walmart.
Left 2 on the hook
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Post by ihunt2liv on Jan 11, 2009 1:09:11 GMT -5
Sooner or later, not having a pass-through will cost you a deer. Perhaps not on a well-shot deer, but more likely on a marginal hit that occurred for whatever reason. Then you'll be wishing for another source of blood to trail. The energy transfer thing is debatable with MLs, even on good shots. With marginal hits it doesn't hold any water. What happens to a lot of deer hit poorly with high powered rifles that produce greater energy transfer than any ML could hope for? They walk off and die and are often not recovered. One thing I think is interesting, the bullet hits the deer with about the same or less energy than the rifle hits you with (For every action there is an equal, opposite reaction). The energy is applied differently yes, but it is about the same total energy. Sheds a little different light on the energy transfer thing. This would make for a good debate 2 holes VS one hole and energy transfer. Should we start a thread or do it here? |
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Post by dadfsr on Jan 11, 2009 16:02:17 GMT -5
Sooner or later, not having a pass-through will cost you a deer. Perhaps not on a well-shot deer, but more likely on a marginal hit that occurred for whatever reason. Then you'll be wishing for another source of blood to trail. The energy transfer thing is debatable with MLs, even on good shots. With marginal hits it doesn't hold any water. What happens to a lot of deer hit poorly with high powered rifles that produce greater energy transfer than any ML could hope for? They walk off and die and are often not recovered. One thing I think is interesting, the bullet hits the deer with about the same or less energy than the rifle hits you with (For every action there is an equal, opposite reaction). The energy is applied differently yes, but it is about the same total energy. Sheds a little different light on the energy transfer thing. This would make for a good debate 2 holes VS one hole and energy transfer. Should we start a thread or do it here? You can put up all the charts and ballistic tables you want but I only look for one thing-the real deal when I'm in the woods!! Simply put it will ALWAYS be easier to track any animal when there are two holes in it!!! I don't care if they are hit well and only run 10' or 100', or if it's a mediocre hit and they still run for awhile....the more blood trail there is the better a chance of finding them. |
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 11, 2009 19:25:06 GMT -5
This would make for a good debate 2 holes VS one hole and energy transfer. Should we start a thread or do it here? You can put up all the charts and ballistic tables you want but I only look for one thing-the real deal when I'm in the woods!! Simply put it will ALWAYS be easier to track any animal when there are two holes in it!!! I don't care if they are hit well and only run 10' or 100', or if it's a mediocre hit and they still run for awhile....the more blood trail there is the better a chance of finding them. Right as rain Sir. |
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