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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 12, 2009 20:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by varmint101 on Oct 12, 2009 20:35:42 GMT -5
I told you that was an insane buck!! Crazy!!!
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Post by duff on Oct 12, 2009 20:57:20 GMT -5
What a buck!
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 13, 2009 8:52:53 GMT -5
Whoa! He seems to get a lot of chances at big critters. I suppose he owns a lot of good land.
I suppose being in Iowa doesn't hurt! More power to ya, Lee. What a beast.
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Post by bsutravis on Oct 13, 2009 9:26:24 GMT -5
After I spent some time looking at Tiffany...... I noticed the buck. WOW. Those horns look like something from an animal in Africa. What a buck!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2009 9:42:49 GMT -5
Whoa! He seems to get a lot of chances at big critters. I suppose he owns a lot of good land. I suppose being in Iowa doesn't hurt! More power to ya, Lee. What a beast. A couple trail camera pics...   |
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Post by throbak on Oct 13, 2009 10:55:59 GMT -5
speaking of buck managment the answer is to get like that YOU CANT SHOOT 150,160 AND SMALLER THEY MUST AGE AND THERES THE PROOF
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2009 11:24:58 GMT -5
speaking of buck managment the answer is to get like that YOU CANT SHOOT 150,160 AND SMALLER THEY MUST AGE AND THERES THE PROOF I don't think I want to get like that as the places I hunt don't have that caliber of deer. Very, very few places do even if you let them go to be old deer.. The Lakoskys have the northern genetics, mineral soils and they feed the heck out of them. I watched them shoot bucks in December in standing corn. It appears that they plant and don't harvest crops. I've also seen where they plant corn and then bush hog the first 8 to 12 rows all around the edges. Not saying there is a thing wrong with it but their situation is TOTALLY different than anything we have here in Indiana. The area I hunt has NEVER produced a Boone and Crockett typical (170 and over) that I am aware of. It did produce one gnarly NT that scored a little over 200. Biggest typical that I am aware of is mid 160s. We are thrilled to take a 140+ deer.. |
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 13, 2009 12:40:40 GMT -5
speaking of buck managment the answer is to get like that YOU CANT SHOOT 150,160 AND SMALLER THEY MUST AGE AND THERES THE PROOF I don't think I want to get like that as the places I hunt don't have that caliber of deer. Very, very few places do even if you let them go to be old deer.. The Lakoskys have the northern genetics, mineral soils and they feed the heck out of them. I watched them shoot bucks in December in standing corn. It appears that they plant and don't harvest crops. I've also seen where they plant corn and then bush hog the first 8 to 12 rows all around the edges. Not saying there is a thing wrong with it but their situation is TOTALLY different than anything we have here in Indiana. The area I hunt has NEVER produced a Boone and Crockett typical (170 and over) that I am aware of. It did produce one gnarly NT that scored a little over 200. Biggest typical that I am aware of is mid 160s. We are thrilled to take a 140+ deer.. Yes, apples and oranges comparison. You could take the same amount of land here and not shoot ANY bucks for five years and you wouldn't see as many monsters as they see while they are actively hunting the land. That's not to say you wouldn't see lots more big deer, because you would, just not that caliber. Different soil, different genetics, different results. I guess everybody can do what they want, but passing a 160 class anywhere in Indiana would be insane, since that's about 20 points higher than average for a mature buck. |
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Post by throbak on Oct 13, 2009 12:56:06 GMT -5
I hate to differ with ya but Indiana does have that caliber of deer they are just not allowed to mature to that level, for what ever reason. I have seen a difference by not shooting the ones that used to satisify me walk .I see deer shot that did not meet my standards. but on the other hand some of them make it .point is if you want a booner you have to let any thing less walk or you.will never git a 170 or 180, thats what I want on my wall
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Post by racktracker on Oct 13, 2009 13:46:19 GMT -5
According to the DNR there have been 2.59 million deer legally harvested during the past 57 deer hunting seasons in Indiana. Surely quite a number of them were "allowed to mature". 6 1/2 year old bucks are killed each and every year. Where are the monstors like Lee's at?
Even with the OBR savior that everyone has said would create bucks just like Iowa's the Indiana state records have stood for 24 and 32 years..
The typical record is at 195 1/8" and was killed in 1985.
The non-typical record is at 254 1/8" and was killed in 1977.
It takes more than age to grow bucks like Tiffany and Lee have on their place..
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Post by racktracker on Oct 13, 2009 13:47:26 GMT -5
I don't think I want to get like that as the places I hunt don't have that caliber of deer. Very, very few places do even if you let them go to be old deer.. The Lakoskys have the northern genetics, mineral soils and they feed the heck out of them. I watched them shoot bucks in December in standing corn. It appears that they plant and don't harvest crops. I've also seen where they plant corn and then bush hog the first 8 to 12 rows all around the edges. Not saying there is a thing wrong with it but their situation is TOTALLY different than anything we have here in Indiana. The area I hunt has NEVER produced a Boone and Crockett typical (170 and over) that I am aware of. It did produce one gnarly NT that scored a little over 200. Biggest typical that I am aware of is mid 160s. We are thrilled to take a 140+ deer.. Yes, apples and oranges comparison. You could take the same amount of land here and not shoot ANY bucks for five years and you wouldn't see as many monsters as they see while they are actively hunting the land. That's not to say you wouldn't see lots more big deer, because you would, just not that caliber. Different soil, different genetics, different results. I guess everybody can do what they want, but passing a 160 class anywhere in Indiana would be insane, since that's about 20 points higher than average for a mature buck. Yes sir.. you are 100% correct. |
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Post by racktracker on Oct 13, 2009 13:48:56 GMT -5
speaking of buck managment the answer is to get like that YOU CANT SHOOT 150,160 AND SMALLER THEY MUST AGE AND THERES THE PROOF We are thrilled to take a 140+ deer.. "Thrilled" would be an understatement. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 13, 2009 14:43:23 GMT -5
I'd say most hunters in Indiana might never see a buck that age (6.5 years old). Plenty of good areas in our state to grow a buck like that, the food plots and leaving standing crops help. Probably more good areas in Iowa than our state and alot more trophy hunters to go after the big ones. Our state isn't the place to go to kill a buck like that just anywhere, need the area and the amount of ground to keep the firearms pressure down. I know some of the biggest bucks I've seen here (160-200"+) just end up doing the disappearing act. Iowa may have a little better soil and genetics, but mostly the age structure is better.
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Post by tickman1961 on Oct 13, 2009 14:54:26 GMT -5
Iowa does not have near the gun hunting pressure Indiana puts on their deer. Age, Nutrition & Genetices together equal big deer, the fact Indiana's overall population of deer never reach the "AGE' requirement tells me we will never know if that 140 class 3 year old makes it to 170 plus.
Lakosky passes those 3 year old deer with 140 inches
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Post by throbak on Oct 13, 2009 15:31:25 GMT -5
thrilled at 140 is why we don't see many good bucks .YOUNG bucks don't stand a chance because we Hoosiers satisfaction level is not as high as lee,s in Iowa
We are thrilled to take a 140+ deer..
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 13, 2009 16:06:01 GMT -5
it is hard to blame anyone for being thrilled with a 140" buck here. Not very many guys are going to have the spot, acreage, and time+patience to consistently get opportunities at anything that size or bigger. You could put yourself on that and bigger every year in Iowa on public ground. We have alot of hunters and a loong gun season during the rut, deal with it. At least we still have the obr, for now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 16:23:58 GMT -5
Seems I remember the world record typical being fairly young, so no a buck doesn't have to always need to be 6 1/2 yrs old before you kill it. I know of one 187" typ. buck killed in Ky. that was also 4 1/2 yrs old. There are a lot of bucks that old or older in Indiana. With a one buck limit, there is always plenty of carry over to provide age.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 13, 2009 17:25:45 GMT -5
yet another case of why the 15 inch minimum spread rule is a joke...
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Post by throbak on Oct 13, 2009 18:15:11 GMT -5
when are you guys going to realize that the obr is a joke as far as deer management goes .its the limits we put on ourselves that will give you a good carry over .my limits on myself not obr is whats working for me
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