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Post by 36fan on Dec 1, 2009 21:35:06 GMT -5
Woody, Have you considered going with PowerBelts? I tried Shockwaves the first year I year I had my muzzy, primarily based on my wife's Uncle's recommendation, and their tight grouping out of my Remington 700 ML. I shot a doe at 40 yards broadside using a tree as a rest ... and no blood, no hair, no nothing. It was in a picked beanfield and there was no evidence I missed and hit the ground, either. I looked in the area for probably 30 minutes and never found anything. I followed the hoof prints back up the trail she came out of, and still never found any blood and lost the tracks amongst older tracks. I took the muzzy home, and the scope was dead on. Then I did a little research and found other people were having the same problem. Shockwaves have a lot of good and bad reviews here: www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=216233I gave the bullets to my wife's uncle, and I switched to 295 grain PowerBelt copper hollow points, The longest I've had a deer go since 100 - 150 yds with a great blood trail, and the shortest about 15 yards. Food for thought...
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Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 1, 2009 21:43:30 GMT -5
I use powerbelt aerotips in my inline and I have had great results 2 yrs ago I shot a buck at 70 yards and it didnt even run perfect heart shot ! I can place shots on top of each other at 100yrds at the range but I swab the barrel after each shot to keep it clean, I also use pyrodex triple seven pellets each pellet is 50g. I love the pellets and the aerotips, no measurin the powder and no sleeve for the sabots they are made on the aerotips already, smooth pushin them down the barrel also. Never had a misfire with my new inline and the Triple seven pellets, just a though u might consider
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Post by crazybuck on Dec 1, 2009 21:57:08 GMT -5
I use powerbelt aerotips in my inline and I have had great results 2 yrs ago I shot a buck at 70 yards and it didnt even run perfect heart shot ! I can place shots on top of each other at 100yrds at the range but I swab the barrel after each shot to keep it clean, I also use pyrodex tripl.e seven pellets each pellet is 50g. I love the pellets and the aerotips, no measurin the powder and no sleeve for the sabots they are made on the aerotips already, smooth pushin them down the barrel also. Never had a misfire with my new inline and the Triple seven pellets, just a though u might consider I have had good luck with Powerbelt arrowtips also. I am not sure you can get the expansion with muzzleloading bullets like you can with slug gun. I think the best thing you can do is shoot a large grain bullet. I think a larger grain will also stabilize better. They have been very accurate in my Encore, but I have heard others who haven't achieved any accuracy. I plan to test some other bullets in the off season.
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Post by bschwein on Dec 2, 2009 12:27:15 GMT -5
I shot Hornady 44.cal (green sabot) bullets for a long time and they shoot very well. I switched to the barns expander MZ's when they came out a few years ago. I think this is the best bullet on the market right now as far as accuraccy, Weight Retensoin and expansion. However they are a little pricey. I ran out this year and couldn't find any locally for a decent price so I went back to the Hornady 44 cal bullets. I would advise staying away for the 45.cal sabots as they seem not to shoot as well
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 2, 2009 12:38:36 GMT -5
I would advise staying away for the 45.cal sabots as they seem not to shoot as well Gas Can I think that depends on the gun. To be truthful with BP subs Ive not found much difference between .44 cal bullet and .45 but with smokeless powder guns like the Savage 10 ML II the .45 caliber sabots are far superior. Bullet weight + the rate of twist the rifle barrel has + bullet speed = accuracy results. Most .50 caliber BP guns have a 1-28 or 1-32 barrel twist but some have a 1-24 and some 1-38. What you have to do is find the speed for the weight of the bullet you shoot which translate in how much powder to shoot. In the .50 a 240 -300 grain bullet shoots good in most guns with 80 - 100 grains of powder. h.h.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 2, 2009 15:40:19 GMT -5
I would advise staying away for the 45.cal sabots as they seem not to shoot as well I would have said the opposite. I guess to each their own.
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Post by bschwein on Dec 3, 2009 10:47:40 GMT -5
I agree that each gun is different and loads are different. I'm just going off what i've seen. I use to sell hundreds of the 44 cal green sabots compared to only a few black 45 cal sabots. I'm not saying they won't shoot but I've not had much luck with them in groupings compared to the 44 cal ones. I've even tested them out of several guns and spoke with serveral people who tested them as well. I have always shot 1:28 twist barrels using 100grs of either Triple 7 or pryodex. I've also not shot any smokeless powerder guns so I can't comment on those. I guess what all this means is, if your experimenting, I recommend starting the with green 44 cal Hornady's. However I still recommend the Barnes Expander Mz's over the Hornadys ;D
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