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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:18:01 GMT -5
If i were hunting in a ground blind i seriously doubt i would be wearing my orange, it would be rather pointless. Pointless or not...hunter orange is required to be worn at "all times" Very true, but i'm still not gonna wear it in a ground blind. Kinda like wearing an orange vest under your camo, same affect. There are alot of "laws" that are broken every year, I'm sure everyone here has broken some of these laws, knowingly or not.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:19:45 GMT -5
Shocker bury the evidence! Hurry too bad ICO's have a saved copy already!!!! Another POACHER trying to cover tracks now! Poacher? ?? I hope your kidding.
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Post by mullis56 on Dec 1, 2009 9:21:29 GMT -5
Is VIOLATOR a better word for you lugnutz?
Another POACHER is referring to another person from the same group who did some unethical/legal things...In my mind it is a POACHER but if VIOLATOR works for you we will use that!
Furthermore, who cares about ground blind or not. What about this: 1. In the field with the gun going to hunt without orange 2. In field setting up blind with a gun to deer hunt in deer season without orange 3. In field tracking a deer you just shot with a gun without orange 4. In field 2nd day tracking deer you shot night before with a gun but couldn't find without orange
Only guys I've seen NOT wearing legal orange in 20+ years of hunting during firearms season is TRESSPASSERS and POACHERS!
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 1, 2009 9:22:10 GMT -5
If you hunt and dont follow proper rules you are a Poacher
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:25:02 GMT -5
Is VIOLATOR a better word for you lugnutz? yeah thats better, ;D
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:29:01 GMT -5
Ever walked to and from the stand with a loaded weapon, using a flash light? According to the Webster county CO. thats a violation of the law.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:31:36 GMT -5
Is VIOLATOR a better word for you lugnutz? Another POACHER is referring to another person from the same group who did some unethical/legal things...In my mind it is a POACHER but if VIOLATOR works for you we will use that! Furthermore, who cares about ground blind or not. What about this: 1. In the field with the gun going to hunt without orange 2. In field setting up blind with a gun to deer hunt in deer season without orange 3. In field tracking a deer you just shot with a gun without orange 4. In field 2nd day tracking deer you shot night before with a gun but couldn't find without orange Only guys I've seen NOT wearing legal orange in 20+ years of hunting during firearms season is TRESSPASSERS and POACHERS! I totally agree
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Post by Decatur on Dec 1, 2009 9:33:35 GMT -5
If it's dark enough to need a flashlight, I sure don't have my gun loaded or capped!
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2009 9:33:58 GMT -5
Ever walked to and from the stand with a loaded weapon, using a flash light? According to the Webster county CO. thats a violation of the law. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think that was changed in that we can have a loaded gun or an arrow nocked prior to legal shooting time.... It is silly to ahve to wear hunter orange inside a blind , but that is the law. IMHO - They need to require XX amount of inches of hunter orange to be dispayed on the outside of the blind, on all 4 sides
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 9:34:40 GMT -5
Is VIOLATOR a better word for you lugnutz? Even though any violation of game law is considered poaching, IMO it's not the case here....or at least what most people consider poaching of a deer. The youngster should be given a strong warning by a CO for not having the required orange on. The adult mentor should either recieve the same or a citation depending on the situation in the field. As for poaching, they gained no advantage by not wearing the orange inside the blind. I think it would be wise to make law requiring orange to be posted on the exterior of the blind so that it is visable 360 degrees while in use. The important thing is to get across the point that orange does not hinder a persons ability to kill a deer........thousands are killed each year by those wearing it. So, if it helps prevent one accident, it's nuts not to follow the rules. Hunt the kid down and give him a stern warning along with the mentor......he doesn't need to be hung by the neck until dead.
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Post by mullis56 on Dec 1, 2009 9:36:47 GMT -5
Agreed - Timex
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 9:39:46 GMT -5
Hey Woody, from what i was told, is that you can have an arrow nocked, and your firearm can be loaded prior to legal shooting time, but its a violation to be using an artificial light while posessing a loaded weapon. The guy could have been busting my chops since he couldn't find anything else that i did wrong.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2009 9:46:00 GMT -5
Is VIOLATOR a better word for you lugnutz? The important thing is to get across the point that orange does not hinder a persons ability to kill a deer........thousands are killed each year by those wearing it. So, if it helps prevent one accident, it's nuts not to follow the rules. ............ Yepper... I have to wear a coat or vest of hunter orange when I go to hunt Illinois, KY or our recent park hunt at Prophetstown. I did not feel disadvanatged any of these times. IOW - Deer did not pick me out any quicker that I could tell. But, I'll tell you what - other hunters were a lot easier to spot in the woods. Movement is what gets us busted by deer. SO - consider that just wearing a HO cap our heads probably moves a LOT more than our bodies so that deer will pick out that moving orange head more so than our stationary bodies with a HO vest on. I'll probably switch to using a vest over cap in Indiana..
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 1, 2009 9:49:10 GMT -5
I switched to a vest this year. I have always worn a hat.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 1, 2009 10:23:28 GMT -5
Silly to go through all the trouble to video and get a youth a deer and then violate the most basic reg for firearms hunting. Duh
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Post by bschwein on Dec 1, 2009 10:38:04 GMT -5
The youth hunter in the video did have hunter orange in the blind but was not wearing it during the recovery which is wrong. I can tell you if he was intentionally breaking the law we wouldn't be here talking about this.
I will personally talk with him so this honest mistake is not made again. He is not intentionally breaking any laws and will most definately learn from this. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes but whats important is that we learn from our mistakes.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2009 11:32:32 GMT -5
The youth hunter in the video did have hunter orange in the blind but was not wearing it during the recovery which is wrong. I can tell you if he was intentionally breaking the law we wouldn't be here talking about this. I will personally talk with him so this honest mistake is not made again. He is not intentionally breaking any laws and will most definately learn from this. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes but whats important is that we learn from our mistakes. I've withheld judgement on this video as I know editting can make things look a lot different than what the acually are. I'm guessing that the blind set up could have been done prior to the youth weekend and as such no hunter orange would be required or needed? I did not see any guns in hands when they were searching for the doe the next day. I could see where some could construe that as not gun in the hand "deer hunting" and as such the HO is not required? Not sure how a CO would call that though. It could also have been that the recovery was Monday after the youth weekend? IOW - Not everything is always as it seems to be. Gascan seems to have an intimate knowledge of what transpired. Maybe he can fill us all in on the details?
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 1, 2009 12:22:49 GMT -5
In the video I saw the youth had the gun mounted, pointed at the doe with no HO on. He was hunting with no HO on which the video clearly shows which is in violation of IDNR hunting requirements. Even if the youth had it in the blind he wasnt wearing it which is required by law.
Whatever disciplinary action takes place I imagine the young man wont make the mistake again. h.h.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 1, 2009 12:45:57 GMT -5
regardless whether or not the young man had orange on or not, i hope he found his deer, and that he had a wonderful experience!
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Post by Decatur on Dec 1, 2009 12:51:37 GMT -5
He finds his deer at the end of the video.
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