Illinois DNR drops non-resident two-buck proposal

[freedomhunter]

Feb 18, 2010 14:40:56 GMT -5 @huxbux said:

....If you wanna play you gotta pay....

This is the problem. This fact will inevitably run a great majority of hunters out of the sport. Hunters who don't care about trophy hunting, but just want the opportunity to spend time outdoors and harvest a deer with their youngsters. I'm not so sure that this isn't the goal of some who trophy hunt exclusively anyway.

IMO, it's a self defeating policy to force the state to manage for trophy deer. With the population increasing exponentially and available hunting land shrinking yearly, to attract a flood of out of staters here with the lure of huge deer will only make it more expensive for you to hunt in Indiana. You may be able to afford it now, but in 20 years only those with extremely deep pockets will be hunting. Are your pockets going to be deep enough?

uh-oh, sounds like you are back in form. Good post.

[indianahick]

Gotta Pay to Play is getting more and more expensive for the little man. Looked at an outfitter that was on the Outdoor Channel, am always interested in what they charge, darn I can't afford that. They are in Ill, Iowa, Kans, and Mo. they now control 78,000 acres. That is an increase of around 18K acres for this year so far. Guess they just bought out a bunch of locals by having deeper pockets.

Oh well what do I care I will be retiring from hunting in a couple of years anyway.

[ridgerunner]

How is it any different than me buying the land outright and posting it No Tresspassing....? I am a little man, believe me. I have three kids in college, and work a modest job...1200.00 a year to hunt great land is a small price to pay..you don;t need deep pockets..me and four buddies pay 1200.00 a year...rather cheap for 500 acres of prime Whitetail land to me...It's like anyhting in life, if you want it, go work hard and get it...same with your house, cars, education, retirement etc...work hard and go get it...I worked hard and saved for everything I have..Farmers found out Men are willing to pay for good land to hunt, just smart buisness practice on the farmers part..If you can't afford it then start saving money, it's the future, either adapt and overcome, or quit crying bout it and quit hunting..

[indianahick]

Well Ridge lets keep it simple. $1200 on a fixed income is a lot of money. Save money oh yeah I get it. Stop smoking, oops, don't smoke haven't for 25+ years, Cut down on the beer. Oops don't drink beer. Can't. Alcohol is bad for my handicap. Oh I know I can stop taking my throat medication. Thank God I have insurance cause I sure could not afford it if I did not. You are able to afford it good for you. Three kids in college-big deal. I am working on raising my third generation. Oh yeah I will quit hunting in about 3 more years if I live that long. Crying about it nope just stating a fact.

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I really can't understand how you can set a date on when your "going to quit hunting" Dang, that's serious stuff there. There is no doubt that hunting out of state is a luxery, especially in the midwest states.....not for everyone for sure.

[swilk]

haha.... I never have understood people complaining about lease or land costs.

Capitalism. Folks with a highly sought after product (land) with willing consumers lined up to pay for it.

So, who is the bad guy? The landowner for offering a product? Or the hunter/outfitter (consumer) for paying whatever they are comfortable paying?

[racktracker]

Hunting is like anything else- you pay to play.

[indianahick]

Capitalism is a form of government that allows people to buy, own, sell property and services. IE. not controlled by the state or federal government.
The ability to complain about the costs is a freedom. The freedom of speech.
Being able to complain about companies with deep pockets forcing out the littler person is the right to complain.

Pay to play. Not totally necessary, play where you have already paid to be able to. State/National forests, state leased properties. MY 50+ years of purchasing hunting and fishing licenses say I have payed for the pleasure. Yours too.

Timex- It is easy to see the end of something coming when your knees hurt constantly, your shoulders ache and you have passed 65. When it starts to get more and more difficult to carry that climber and associated gear deep enough into the woods to where you feel like you need to be.

[swilk]

You didnt answer the question .... who is to blame? who are you exercising your right to complain about? The landowners for offering the product? Or the hunters/outfitters for purchasing the product that is available?

Also, I dont think saying "capitalism is a form of Government" would be considered accurate by anyone who understands what it means. It pretty much has nothing to do with Government. At all.

[indianahick]

Swilk to use the kiss method there are two main forms of government. Socialistic where the government owns everything and the people have no say. or Democratic where the people have a right to say. Democratic governments work under the a Capitalistic economic system. Where the people have the right to own, buy, sell, make a profit. The Soviet Union- Socialistic/Communist government called our form of government Capitalistic. There by Capitalism became another name for our form of government. Is it accurate? Don't know but if I look at all of the greed in the halls of congress I would have to say fairly.

What do I have the right to complain about. Quite simply how the deep pocket outfitters are pushing up the cost and locking the small person out. As long as Joe Smoe and his buddies have good jobs and are able to afford $8,000 for a 700 acre block of land they are happy after all it is all about I have mine. But let one of Joe's buddies get laid off or an illness the takes all of his play money then they loose their little block of happiness and the outfitter comes in sucks it up and it is gone. Just like the one outfitters 78,000 acres is gone. Just like the land that the NAFTA highway will take will be gone. So am I against leasing and the farmer making some money from his land other than crop money. No. Can I afford $1500 or more to lease property that 90% or is non hunt able? No.


Blame? No one. Except maybe greed.

But all of this has nothing to do with Ill having a two buck rule or an extra buck for non residents. They simply have 20,000 more acres in size and a much bigger deer herd.

[swilk]

I thought long and hard about continuing this little game .... but decided against it.

Have a nice day.