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Post by woodmaster on Feb 11, 2010 11:10:55 GMT -5
The Illinois Department of Natural Resources is withdrawing a proposal to allow non-resident archery deer hunters to purchase a second combination archery deer permit.
That proposal met with angry response from several resident hunting groups, since it would have allowed non-residents to shoot two bucks during bow season.
But DNR will move ahead with plans to allow non-resident youth hunters to take part in the October youth season. Writes John Buhnerkempe, chief of DNR’s wildlife division:
“Regarding amendments to 17 Ill. Adm. Rule 685, the Department believes the recruitment and retention of young hunters, regardless of residency, is of paramount importance in today’s world. This is a national issue, not just a state or local issue. Regardless of what other states are doing, we believe that youth season should be blind to residency and that youth hunting opportunities should be a priority. Given the importance of this issue, we plan to proceed with allowing nonresident youth to participate the youth deer hunting season.”
Earlier this winter Buhnerkempe had discussed these changes for non-residents during the Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever state convention in Peoria.
“I think the whole issue of kids hunting is not are they residents or non-residents, it’s are they kids?” Buhnerkempe said. “There may be grandparents who want to invite their grandkids in to hunt. Is an outfitter going to make more money off of it? I doubt it.
“As far as the issue of non-residents hunting in Illinois, Pandora’s Box is already open.”
Buhnerkempe said the Illinois Natural History Survey is currently doing a mail survey of outfitters to get more information about the industry.
“I don’t think we fully understand the industry as well as we need to,” Buhnerkempe said. “
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Post by Decatur on Feb 11, 2010 12:02:20 GMT -5
“As far as the issue of non-residents hunting in Illinois, Pandora’s Box is already open.”
Coming soon to a county near you!
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 11, 2010 17:20:07 GMT -5
“As far as the issue of non-residents hunting in Illinois, Pandora’s Box is already open.” Coming soon to a county near you! nope, we will still send more hunters to big-buck states than out-of-staters will come here, remember as long as we keep our firearms structure that red "x" will keep us safe
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 11, 2010 18:04:44 GMT -5
It wouldn't make any difference if you allowed non-residents ten buck tags. Illinois will still produce more monster bucks than most places. It's in the water over there. Methinks the illini need not worry about running out of big-racked deer.
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 11, 2010 20:06:46 GMT -5
“As far as the issue of non-residents hunting in Illinois, Pandora’s Box is already open.” Coming soon to a county near you! nope, we will still send more hunters to big-buck states than out-of-staters will come here, remember as long as we keep our firearms structure that red "x" will keep us safe I agree....sure we will get a few big bucks that have survived to maturity but we will never be like Illinois, Iowa, & Kansas with the structure we have now.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 11, 2010 20:38:15 GMT -5
nope, we will still send more hunters to big-buck states than out-of-staters will come here, remember as long as we keep our firearms structure that red "x" will keep us safe I agree....sure we will get a few big bucks that have survived to maturity but we will never be like Illinois, Iowa, & Kansas with the structure we have now. Indiana is the smallest state (in terms of area) of the lower 48 located west of the Appalachian Mountains, being 35,867 square miles in size. With that said it will be real hard to be "LIKE" any other state.No matter how we structure our Deer seasons...IMO
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 11, 2010 21:05:07 GMT -5
I agree....sure we will get a few big bucks that have survived to maturity but we will never be like Illinois, Iowa, & Kansas with the structure we have now. Indiana is the smallest state (in terms of area) of the lower 48 located west of the Appalachian Mountains, being 35,867 square miles in size. With that said it will be real hard to be "LIKE" any other state.No matter how we structure our Deer seasons...IMO When I said "like" other states I meant be a big buck producing state. I know e could if we managed our hunting differently. We have the same genetics as all those states
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Post by ridgerunner on Feb 12, 2010 17:31:04 GMT -5
Yeah the two week slaughter fest in the rut hurts Indiana bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 20:04:05 GMT -5
who in there right mine would like being like ill. if you like it so much move there.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 12, 2010 20:59:06 GMT -5
Ill is a firearm restrictive state. Lauding their policies says that you also approve of all of their firearms restrictions.
Actually here is the best reason of all that Ill, Iowa, Kans has more record book deer.
By Size Kansas 81,815 sq. miles Iowa 55,869 sq miles Ill 55,867 sq miles
20,000 to 36,000 sq miles more of land. More land equals more deer. More deer equates to more record book size animals.
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 13, 2010 6:21:32 GMT -5
who in there right mine would like being like ill. if you like it so much move there. LOL. Since my family and job is in Indiana I'll stay here. I like the weather better in the Bahamas but that doesn't mean I'll move there. Wouldn't you like more deer and bigger bucks? If you ever deer hunted in Illinois you would see what I'm talking about.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 13, 2010 8:57:38 GMT -5
who in there right mine would like being like ill. if you like it so much move there. I think some guys want more than one opportunity to kill a mature buck for every 2-3 years of hunting good ground.
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Post by jgrimm on Feb 13, 2010 9:20:09 GMT -5
who in there right mine would like being like ill. if you like it so much move there. I would love for Indiana to be like Ill., If you have ever hunted there you would know why!! It's easy to see that the the Indiana DNR should take lessons from them and maybe we could kill two bucks here again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 19:15:03 GMT -5
I know a lot of hunters in ill. they pretty much hate nonresident hunters for what they have caused by outfitters coming in and leasing all the ground they hunted since they was kids.the dnr loves it because all the money they git from all there high dollar tags yes if you. live there you might not even get a buck tag. not everybody got 100 dollar bills hanging out of there *** . you have to decide if that buck is worth a 1000.00 dollars. not to me. i,m sorry you can have it.
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Post by woodmaster on Feb 13, 2010 20:44:12 GMT -5
I know a lot of hunters in ill. they pretty much hate nonresident hunters for what they have caused by outfitters coming in and leasing all the ground they hunted since they was kids.the dnr loves it because all the money they git from all there high dollar tags yes if you. live there you might not even get a buck tag. not everybody got 100 dollar bills hanging out of there *** . you have to decide if that buck is worth a 1000.00 dollars. not to me. i,m sorry you can have it. JGrimm and I work 40 hours a week at a factory and our wives have decent jobs. My dad has been retired for 13 years and my Mom hasn't worked for over 30 years due to a disability. Not a one of us are rich and we all live within ours means. We save and do without to be able to afford a Illinois tags. I get tired of hearing about outfitters leasing all the ground to. Sure land is harder to get permission but it's not impossible. A few years ago I went knocking on doors and got permission to hunt to farms that where both over 250 acres. The landowners didn't know me from Adam. I never had to pay them a penny. As far as residents not getting tags.....resident archery tags are unlimited. As far as gun tags, non residents get put in a lottery AFTER the residents 1st gun tag lottery. If a resident doesn't get drawn for a tag then it is because too many RESIDENTS put in for that county...not non residents. I've been gun hunting in Illinois for 8 years and I've NEVER seen a county sell out tags during the 1st lottery. I don't believe a resident has ever not been able to get a tag as long as he/she puts in for the 1st lottery.
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Post by jgrimm on Feb 14, 2010 9:45:25 GMT -5
I know a lot of hunters in ill. they pretty much hate nonresident hunters for what they have caused by outfitters coming in and leasing all the ground they hunted since they was kids.the dnr loves it because all the money they git from all there high dollar tags yes if you. live there you might not even get a buck tag. not everybody got 100 dollar bills hanging out of there *** . you have to decide if that buck is worth a 1000.00 dollars. not to me. i,m sorry you can have it. JGrimm and I work 40 hours a week at a factory and wives have decent jobs. My dad has been retired for 13 years and my Mom hasn't worked for over 30 years due to a disability. Not a one of us are rich and we all live within ours means. We save and do without to be able to afford a Illinois tags. I get tired of hearing about outfitters leasing all the ground to. Sure land is harder to get permission but it's impossible. A few years ago I went knocking on doors and got permission to hunt to farms that where both over 250 acres. The landowners didn't know me from Adam. I never had to pay them a penny. As far as residents not getting tags.....resident archery tags are unlimited. As far as gun tags, non residents get put in a lottery AFTER the residents 1st gun tag lottery. If a resident doesn't get drawn for a tag then it is because too many RESIDENTS put in for that county...not non residents. I've been gun hunting in Illinois for 8 years and I've NEVER seen a county sell out tags during the 1st lottery. I don't believe a resident has ever not been able to get a tag as long as he/she puts in for the 1st lottery. Save your breath Woodmaster it's obvious that He has no idea what He is talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 13:00:13 GMT -5
you are rite its none of my buisness where you hunt could care less
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Post by steiny on Feb 15, 2010 19:56:33 GMT -5
Yeah, good luck with this debate Woodmaster. I love hunting Illinois, and may be leasing a farm over there with a buddy for this season.
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Post by ridgerunner on Feb 17, 2010 18:17:40 GMT -5
I lease 500 acres in Illinois with a couple buddies..the local crowd had the chance to lease it, but no they want it for freee...We were willing to fork out the money and now they're whining bout farmers leasing the property.....They're mad cause now they can't tresspass and hunt the property anymore...If you wanna play you gotta pay.... ...
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Post by huxbux on Feb 18, 2010 14:40:56 GMT -5
This is the problem. This fact will inevitably run a great majority of hunters out of the sport. Hunters who don't care about trophy hunting, but just want the opportunity to spend time outdoors and harvest a deer with their youngsters. I'm not so sure that this isn't the goal of some who trophy hunt exclusively anyway.
IMO, it's a self defeating policy to force the state to manage for trophy deer. With the population increasing exponentially and available hunting land shrinking yearly, to attract a flood of out of staters here with the lure of huge deer will only make it more expensive for you to hunt in Indiana. You may be able to afford it now, but in 20 years only those with extremely deep pockets will be hunting. Are your pockets going to be deep enough?
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