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Post by huntingman on Oct 28, 2010 15:44:06 GMT -5
does anyone know of specific sabot slugs made for elk and deer?
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Post by RoadKill on Nov 4, 2010 8:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by huntingman on Nov 5, 2010 16:28:04 GMT -5
thanks!
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Post by steiny on Nov 11, 2010 19:33:59 GMT -5
Shotgun slugs are a poor choice if centerfire rifles are an option, IMO.
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Post by kodiak50 on Dec 15, 2010 6:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Dec 15, 2010 7:16:03 GMT -5
Shotgun slugs are a poor choice if centerfire rifles are an option, IMO. + 1.......If I were hunting Elk or bear; I'd use a .338 Win. Magnum, with proper bullet.
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Post by huntingman on Dec 15, 2010 20:46:14 GMT -5
This is what I dont get. correct me if i am wrong. A 12 gauge 3" slug may have less velocity than a centerfire rifle but in kinetic pounds its almost twice as much at 40 yards compared to a 30-06. I will be hunting in washington state by the coast. your lucky if you can see more than 50 yards in area i am hunting. i kinda dont wanna go out and buy a rifle. your using a 400 grain 63. caliber slug that can expand to the size of a gold ball compared to a 33 caliber bullet. accuracy at even 75 yards isnt a issue with todays modern rifled shotguns. My question is Why wouldn't you use a slug gun?
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Post by danf on Dec 15, 2010 21:41:00 GMT -5
My concern would be with penetration. Most slugs are not meant to penetrate through much more than a deer, possibly a small black bear. I don't know how they would do with elk- you'd definitely want a premium slug, a copper variant would likely be a better choice.
It's definitely something I'd fully research before I tried- including calling the bullet manufacturers and talking with them.
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Post by drs on Dec 16, 2010 6:10:53 GMT -5
This is what I dont get. correct me if i am wrong. A 12 gauge 3" slug may have less velocity than a centerfire rifle but in kinetic pounds its almost twice as much at 40 yards compared to a 30-06. I will be hunting in washington state by the coast. your lucky if you can see more than 50 yards in area i am hunting. I know that Country out in Washington State well, as I've hunted bear out there!! You're right in most coast areas the forest is so thick you can walk and fall into a revine or ditch. Also there could be a bear right in front of you and you'll never know it! When I hunted out there we used Dogs (which you can't use out there now) and I carried a .308 using 180 grain bullets & open sights, as a scope in that area is useless. You can use a 12 gauge slug with no problems for bear but I strongly suggest you use a rifle for Elk.
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Post by huntingman on Dec 16, 2010 7:11:45 GMT -5
Yes in washington on the "wet" side scopes are concidered a handicapp. And for slugs i have been thinking of the 400 Grain winchester platinum tips or winchester XP3's. in 3'' shells. When it comes to penetraion what do you use to measure it? i always though foot pounds of energy? Thanks
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Post by drs on Dec 16, 2010 7:17:27 GMT -5
Yes in washington on the "wet" side scopes are concidered a handicapp. And for slugs i have been thinking of the 400 Grain winchester platinum tips or winchester XP3's. in 3'' shells. When it comes to penetraion what do you use to measure it? i always though foot pounds of energy? Thanks The 12 gauge ammo, you list above, would be okay for bear at close range < 75 yards. They would have plenty of penetration power for black bear. BTW, I hunted northeast of Bellingham, Washington with my late Cousin back in the '80's. VERY THICK forests out that way!
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Post by danf on Dec 16, 2010 8:22:31 GMT -5
Call the bullet manufacturer and talk with a rep there. Generally they will tell you all you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 16:57:21 GMT -5
todays slugs would be fine for either animal mentioned as long as the shot was under 100 yards. even 20 years ago when i started hunting slugs would punch through both sides of a deer at that range. you dont have to have 2 holes if shot placement is good on either of these animals. bow hunters rarely ever get pass throughs. if i was going to use a slug gun i would opt for the reminton coppersolids. they have petals that will break off once entering the animal and act as other projectiles inside the vital areas.
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Post by danf on Dec 16, 2010 18:51:15 GMT -5
bow hunters rarely ever get pass throughs. Not necessarily the place to debate it, but they *should*. Especially with today's faster bows. I have only ever shot 2 deer with a bow and neither were with a "speed" bow. Both were complete passthroughs......
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Post by huntingman on Dec 18, 2010 17:09:22 GMT -5
Boonehunter. In indiana those bullets would work but not in washington. you want the animal down as soon as possible. i will already be hking off the road quite a bit. if there is just one hole less of a blood trail. If you get what i am saying. Washington's west side isnt called the "wet" side for nothing.
DRS. i have been told any bullet used on a bear is more than enough for elk. black bears ahve very thick skin muscle and bone from the protein they get. elk are very tough animals, in some cases tougher than moose. but if it will easily work for bear wouldnt it easilly for elk? And FYI i am putting in for a moose tag too. the are low chance but if i get a tag i will ise the same setup as i would elk
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Post by steiny on Jan 4, 2011 20:04:52 GMT -5
Use a rifle if you can swing it. If a slug gun was the way to go, that's what the western hunters would be using. They don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 20:37:30 GMT -5
I'm confused? Are you looking for short range protection from bears and a long range hunting tool for moose and elk? You NEED a good rifle. Forget the slug gun. Never use a shotgun slug unless you have to for some reason. Rifles are better in almost every catagory-range, accuracy and killing power. as for a possible bear attack, it wouldn't matter as you'll have to shoot the bear in the brain to stop the attack. As for moose, they kill fairly easy. Take out his massive lungs and he's done. They won't run off often, and you'll most of the time watch him lay down and die. as for elk, make a poor hit, he'll run for 50 miles and you'll never see him again. I'd never take anything except a rifle on a elk hunt, the biggest one you can shoot comfortably. It is not uncommon to have to kill elk at 300-400 yards. A slug might do it at 50-75 yards, so you see the limits pretty quickly.
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Post by huxbux on Jan 4, 2011 22:20:23 GMT -5
Yes in washington on the "wet" side scopes are concidered a handicapp. And for slugs i have been thinking of the 400 Grain winchester platinum tips or winchester XP3's. in 3'' shells. When it comes to penetraion what do you use to measure it? i always though foot pounds of energy? Thanks ft/lbs of energy has little to do with penetration. Gel tests are the only accepted standard by which to judge penetration ( other than actual shots on real game) that I know of. Even so, some bullet designs can be wildly erratic in their results despite past proven performance. There is no such thing as a "magic bullet". Shotgun slugs are slow and heavy and offer poor penetration on thick furred, heavily muscled animals.
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Post by huxbux on Jan 4, 2011 22:21:45 GMT -5
Yes in washington on the "wet" side scopes are concidered a handicapp. And for slugs i have been thinking of the 400 Grain winchester platinum tips or winchester XP3's. in 3'' shells. When it comes to penetraion what do you use to measure it? i always though foot pounds of energy? Thanks ft/lbs of energy has little to do with penetration. Gel tests are the only accepted standard by which to judge penetration ( other than actual shots on real game) that I know of. Even so, some bullet designs can be wildly erratic in their results despite past proven performance. There is no such thing as a "magic bullet". Shotgun slugs are slow and heavy and offer poor penetration on thick furred, heavily muscled animals. Here's a very good write-up by a very well credentialed fellow. About half way through the article he explains why shotguns are a poor choice for bears. www.chuckhawks.com/firearms_defense_bears.htm
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Post by huntingman on Jan 12, 2011 17:01:51 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info and Timex i am looking for a slug for elk and moose
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