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Post by Decatur on Mar 10, 2011 14:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by oneshot on Mar 10, 2011 15:25:34 GMT -5
Could you imagine the hysteria the liberal media would have had if the Tea Party acted like this? I read on Druge where there have been death threats to Rebublicans and their families. I say, .......well Obama said it first..."we won the election, get over it, now get to the back of the bus". Its about time the protestors went home. But first they should clean up their mess.
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Post by lineman453 on Mar 10, 2011 20:12:40 GMT -5
Well as a Union Member who went to the rally in Indy today I find it very hard to swallow the fact that somebody is taking away my families way of life, and let me tell you it ain't as grand as the CONSERVITIVE media makes it out to be. I appluade the Democrats for staying out!IBEW 702
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Post by danf on Mar 10, 2011 21:32:53 GMT -5
It's funny- I have a job. I work with my hands, back, feet all day long. I run equipment. I drive trucks. You name it, I can do it in my line of work. I have benefits. I can also be fired for not meeting expectations.
I didn't need a union to get what I have. Never will. Don't give me the song and dance about "ruining my family's way of life". That is an entitlement attitude and the whole reason this country is in the toilet at the moment. Your union membership was a CHOICE. My non-membership was a CHOICE. There's plenty of work out there for those that are actually willing to WORK.
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Post by throbak on Mar 10, 2011 23:49:24 GMT -5
Lineman thanks for being there to represent me also uaw 663 retired  |
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Post by lineman453 on Mar 11, 2011 8:27:59 GMT -5
Without the choice of all the Union membership before me the working conditions would not be what they are! The reason all you non union have it as good as you do is because of the UNION men well before my time. Oh yeah danf I gave it how it is, u dont like it thats your opinion!
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Post by drs on Mar 11, 2011 11:47:15 GMT -5
Without the choice of all the Union membership before me the working conditions would not be what they are! The reason all you non union have it as good as you do is because of the UNION men well before my time. .......And the reason prices are high in this Country & why industries are moving out of the U.S.A. MANY Union demands (in my opinion which I am entittled to) have ruined this country of ours.  |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 11, 2011 15:36:17 GMT -5
Well as a Union Member who went to the rally in Indy today I find it very hard to swallow the fact that somebody is taking away my families way of life, and let me tell you it ain't as grand as the CONSERVITIVE media makes it out to be. I appluade the Democrats for staying out!IBEW 702 Running away & hiding from constituent representation & responsibility does not cut it!!! IBEW 1393 |
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Post by danf on Mar 11, 2011 21:20:39 GMT -5
I won't argue that the unions served a purpose. Noticed I said "served". There are very, very, very few unions I see a need for in today's society.
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 12, 2011 7:58:17 GMT -5
hey danf, lets just say you been a good worker for fifteen years(never late always doing a fair job) and your job is beening done by you every day, and lets say the company hires a new foreman and this guy just doesn't like the way you do your job and every day he riding your back, the new foreman just doesn't like you, so the foreman wants to hire his son in law, lots younger than you and he needs a job for his family, the new foreman fires you and hires his son in law....do you get the picture....this is just one of many reasons we need UNIONS AND STRONG UNIONS where your fellow workers will stand up and fight for your job, its called Senority and in your case Job Security! i have worked in a factory, thats one place you need a Union, but it has to be run right, they need to say in line what a union is there for and have equal rights for all....i hope you don't ever get that new foreman that doesn't like you!...just my .02 cents......WE NEED STRONG UNIONS EVERY WHERE...ITS THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE .......without Unions we are weak and have no job security....so it doesn't matter much China going to take over with all the China goods we are buying from them and you folks will wish you had a say so on job security and being made in USA......UNIONS ARE GOOD !!!!!..........  ..........turkey scout |
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Post by drs on Mar 12, 2011 9:45:28 GMT -5
Unions may be good in a limited way; however it certainly doesn't mean a "Bus Driver" should make $100K per year or any other State worker for that matter. The Union's demand for higher wages have caused more factories & jobs to move to China & Mexico, than any other issues.
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Post by throbak on Mar 12, 2011 14:28:50 GMT -5
DRS it is not the Union demands that have moved jobs to Mexico Its the Companies GREED , come on give me a break Hey don't pay me 20 an hr. aliens will work for 2 an hr. so what the hey I guess I should too don't Union me just pay me 2 an hr and fu the union, Iwill work for 2 like the companies are willing to pay f the unions I don't need 20 an hr.just give me the 2 that's all I am worth.. I AM NOT BUYING THAT AND ANY WORKING MAN OUT THERE SHOULD NOT EITHER... or just work for two dollars an hr. thats what the companie really wants to pay you any way
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Post by throbak on Mar 12, 2011 14:31:03 GMT -5
You want to fly in a jet where they only pay a pilot 10.00 an hr  |
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Post by drs on Mar 12, 2011 14:59:10 GMT -5
DRS it is not the Union demands that have moved jobs to Mexico Its the Companies GREED , come on give me a break Hey don't pay me 20 an hr. aliens will work for 2 an hr. so what the hey I guess I should too don't Union me just pay me 2 an hr and fu the union, Iwill work for 2 like the companies are willing to pay f the unions I don't need 20 an hr.just give me the 2 that's all I am worth.. I AM NOT BUYING THAT AND ANY WORKING MAN OUT THERE SHOULD NOT EITHER... or just work for two dollars an hr. thats what the companie really wants to pay you any way Unions have destroyed what is left of our industry with THEIR GREED! Everyone working is entitled to a fair wage but not an excessive wage. <period> |
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Post by danf on Mar 12, 2011 15:18:50 GMT -5
There are plenty of non-union shops out there now that prove the need for unions no longer exist. Were they useful in the past? Sure. Are they needed now? In my opinion, NO. Sorry to break it to you guys, but good wages, benefits, seniority and good working conditions does exist outside of the union. And the best part is, if the laborers are not producing to expectations, the companies can find someone who will.
In this day and age, unions are a waste of everyone's money.
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Post by drs on Mar 12, 2011 15:24:12 GMT -5
There are plenty of non-union shops out there now that prove the need for unions no longer exist. Were they useful in the past? Sure. Are they needed now? In my opinion, NO. In this day and age, unions are a waste of everyone's money. |
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Post by lineman453 on Mar 12, 2011 17:06:41 GMT -5
All I gotta say is go ahead and keep soaking up those benefits without the UNION you wouldn't have them!
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Post by danf on Mar 12, 2011 17:26:41 GMT -5
If you think I work 40 hours a week and then quit and go home, you are fooling yourself. If you think ANY union has ever influenced my specific benefits, you are fooling yourself.
The only thing UNIONS do for me in my specific job is use up more of my tax money than would otherwise be used...
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Post by throbak on Mar 12, 2011 17:43:27 GMT -5
Dan f do you hire Mexicans at say 5.00 an hour because no one else will work that cheap?? and you work for alot more , who set your wage scale or are you working for their wages?? you think aliens set your wage scale and Benifits?? your fooling your self if you do IT WAS THE UNIONS
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Post by danf on Mar 12, 2011 18:06:02 GMT -5
The company I work for does not hire foreign laborers. I have worked for companies in the past that did, but definitely not all of them took part in that practice. One of those companies did not hire them directly, but instead went through a 3rd party employer similar to a Labor Ready or Manpower. I was never part of the decision making process on hiring/firing, so I can not speak as to why those laborers were hired... But I digress....
My wages and benefits were negotiated between me and my employer based on my schooling, and experience and overall what I brought to the table. Other employers may not negotiate wages and benefits, but simply have a pay scale. Neither scenario takes a union to make a good wage.
I still fail to see any further use for unions. A commentary published on Yahoo recently said "The admirable nature of unions which first promoted fair treatment, fair wages and safety issues for workers has been perverted into a political entity with paid representatives lining their pockets at the expense of those they purport to represent." While I realize no two unions are exactly alike, I agree with that statement wholeheartedly.
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..........turkey scout