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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 15, 2011 13:54:19 GMT -5
If you could pen a new Regulation or modify an existing one with
THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF CREATING NEW HUNTERS, what would it be? The apprentice license, for example, was a very good idea that addressed a problem. I'm trying to come up with something but I'm having trouble. Any ideas?
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Post by inrecordbookbuck on Aug 15, 2011 14:04:16 GMT -5
I believe it will be changed with in the next few years but, i think that youth hunters should be able to use a crossbow.... I have a nephew that is small even for 10yrs. old. and can not pull back legal weight (35lbs)on a vertical bow. would love to be able to take him hunting with me for the bow season
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Post by firstwd on Aug 15, 2011 14:23:51 GMT -5
Require television providers to have a minimum percent of the hunting shows the carry be about small game and youth hunters. I realize large game and deer especially, are the money makers, but kids need to see kids enjoying the outdoors hunting small game.
Beyond that, I feel the cost of licenses need serious attention. Kids are set good with the youth combo license, but a large number of them don't get the opportunity to go hunting because their parents won't or can't afford to buy the licenses to try something new.
Let me think a bit on some more.
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 15, 2011 17:08:39 GMT -5
Require television providers to have a minimum percent of the hunting shows the carry be about small game and youth hunters. I realize large game and deer especially, are the money makers, but kids need to see kids enjoying the outdoors hunting small game. Beyond that, I feel the cost of licenses need serious attention. Kids are set good with the youth combo license, but a large number of them don't get the opportunity to go hunting because their parents won't or can't afford to buy the licenses to try something new. Let me think a bit on some more.[/quote I agree. I think kids should hunt free. I'd even support a hike in my own tag fees to cover it. |
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Post by INDeerhunter on Aug 15, 2011 17:41:31 GMT -5
I think that alot of youths would hunt more, IF the person taking them hunting DIDNT have to also purchase a tag just to take the youth hunter hunting ! Or it should atleast be cheaper than a regular deer tag, maybe charge a "hunter mentor" fee or call it a tag, which would allow an adult hunter ONLY to take the youth hunting (youth being properly licensed) but could not take a deer with said "mentor tag". Does that make sense what Im gettin at ? lol.
I think when it comes to ppl gettin into hunting, a youth may be the one being the driving force for their parents to take them because their friends at school hunt or they just have an interest in it on their own, which IMO doesnt always mean the parent is even interested in harvesting a deer for themselves, and even at times an experienced seasoned hunter just wants to take a youth hunting and I dont think they should also have to purchase a tag just to do so.
I would think that would definitely open alot more doors for ppl that dont have the extra money to buy tags to take their child hunting kinda like firstwd was sayin, and without havin to purchase a tag for the adult to take the youth hunter along then Imo more youth could hunt more often, and seasoned hunters would be more apt to take a youth hunter out just after the youth a deer ! Not having to be concerned with filling that tag of their own later !
I also agree with "inrecordbookbuck" about allowing youth hunters to use the crossbow, I know that I would love to take my son hunting but there is no way that he is ready for a shotgun or rifle, and can not pull a legal weight bow(35lbs) back, prolly wont be atleast for a few more years.
He will be 6 when archery season opens and I know for a fact that he could easily aim & shoot a xbow at a deer, he has shot mine many times in the recent past and is quite accurate with it ! It would allow youth hunters to have the steadiness and aiming qualities of a firearm without the recoil plus would allow them to start hunting in the warmer part of the year, also when alot less hunters in the woods, they would have alot more time to hunt than just the "youth season" and IMO would get alot of them in the woods enjoying the sport years earlier than they are now !
I understand that the 410 shell is now allowed as a legal firearm for deer & has alot less recoil but I also know that alot of youth even older youth still fear that recoil & BANG of a firearm which not only can cause them to flinch or pull but can also turn some youth off from hunting period !! With a crossbow they do not have to worry bout that, the crossbow doesnt have any recoil or BANG to be concerned with !
Thats my 2 cents take it for what its worth !
God Bless & Good Luck this season.........
~INDeerhunter~
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 17:49:07 GMT -5
The problem is not the youngsters, but finding them a mentor. There are a lot of kids that would hunt, but they have no one to take them hunting. There are lots of urban families and single parent NON-hunting families that could be involved with a good program to provide qualified mentors to take in those with desire to see what it's all about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 17:52:05 GMT -5
I know of two states that sell youth licenses for NR hunters at the same price as a resident. Indiana also requires that the mentor be licensed, even though they are not hunting. For example, if the mentor happens to be a NR, it would cost him $150 to take a youth out hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 18:05:49 GMT -5
give them a FREE hunting weekend like ky does. no liscense or tags reuired. this way if they are first timers and dont know if they will like they can try it out without spending the money on tags and what not. kinda like test driving a car.
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Post by huntingman on Aug 15, 2011 19:30:14 GMT -5
More youth seasons!!!!!  |
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Post by jjas on Aug 15, 2011 19:32:37 GMT -5
Access to hunting properties is (and will continue to be) the death the hunting for not only kids, but adults as well.
It's the same thing with shooting....it's getting tougher and tougher to find a range and/or properties that people will let you shoot on.
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Post by indyqdog on Aug 15, 2011 19:54:58 GMT -5
Well, i have quite a few ideas. 1. make hunting more ACCESSIBLE. ppl in central indiana have little to no land to shoot or hunt. I live in fishers and if it wasn't for this site, i would have LITTLE to no details on knowing how to hunt. heck, im still trying to soak up as much as i can. 2. Let kids decide for themselves. This may be a critique towards parents, but if their kid doesn't want to hunt, encourage them but don't drag them kicking and screaming... (that'd scare the deer away  ) most kids from hunting families probably have interest though. which brings me to my next point... 3. what if a kid has no family that hunts. luckily i have a friend in maryland that used to live in indy where we have always loved anything outdoors. also i have a family friend that hunts. Someone needs to set up a VERY secure system reputable for setting up mentors with kids. that was my parents biggest concern. if some guy wants to take me in the woods with a firearm by myself... a little weird for my parents. I know they are willing to teach me and understand but i'd even want someone with me if i didn't know them. So the day someone sets up a reputable organization that parents can trust, i'll be overjoyed. also make the kid/family fill out a questionaire to make sure that they are deserving 4. what about the ppl that have a late start. there have been a few youth hunts i've applied for and been rejected because i have a drivers license. I understand that i can drive somewhere but once again, parents don't want their kids cruising the woods in search of some squirrels by theirselves with a fully loaded 12 gauge. no matter how much training one has, the buddy system is safe. |
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Post by indyqdog on Aug 15, 2011 19:56:51 GMT -5
also, what about anyone that doesn't know how to hunt. like college students or older teens. expanding the sportsman community can be adults as well. they'll pass it on to their kids right? let me leave you with the key to getting kids involved
CONVINCE THE PARENTS. ITS THAT EASY
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Post by windingwinds on Aug 15, 2011 21:12:15 GMT -5
Access is a big problem, so many kids do not have parents who are willing to take the time to haul kids around to hunt. Then there is cost of equipment.
I think the outdoor experience is a great idea, but would like to see it expanded at more locations.
Ditto on more youth seasons!
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Post by tickman1961 on Aug 16, 2011 9:39:10 GMT -5
GET RID OF THE HUNTER EDUCATION REQUIREMENT and make it so anyone under 18 does not need to purchase a license to hunt or fish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 10:12:49 GMT -5
I would not support doing away with H.E. other than a short one or two time exemption.
One kid injured or killed would be a disaster.
I believe archery in schools is a good start and should be.expanded into hunting as well as targets.
Still need a program to find qualified mentors, something on the order of a big brother program.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 16, 2011 11:01:01 GMT -5
GET RID OF THE HUNTER EDUCATION REQUIREMENT and make it so anyone under 18 does not need to purchase a license to hunt or fish. I could not begin to agree with this idea even if I wasn't an instructor. There are too many kids that do not have parents or qualified adults to mentor them. I think the apprentice license does a good job of helping with what people see as the Hunter Ed requirement problem. I do believe Hunter Ed should be a required class in all public schools. |
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Post by INDeerhunter on Aug 16, 2011 11:03:49 GMT -5
I agree with Timex & Firstws on this one, I think getting rid of H.E. isnt the answer, there definitely needs to be some sort of program (like he said similar to Big Brother) to get mentors & youth hunters together.
I dont think the price for the youth hunter is an issue either $7 for a tag that covers practically everything is worth the money, if anything the adult mentor/hunter should be the one that doesnt require a license or needs a discounted license to take the youth hunting ! It cost over three times more for the mentor for a tag JUST TO TAKE THE YOUTH thanit does for the youth to purchase a tag TO HUNT, IMO thats one of the biggest problems, & silliest rules in the regulations for youth hunting !
Archery in schools is a great program and again I agree that it should carry over into hunting not just shooting targets. Or atleast should get the archery students in touch with mentors to tak them huntin if they ar interested. Thats why a mentor program is really needed.
And like Indyqdog posted there has to be somehow to convince parents to allow their child to hunt & get them to be able to find a safe trustworthy mentor for that purpose. As a parent myself I will take my children hunting if they are interested (which they are but too young) but if I wasnt a hunter I wouldnt want just anyone to take my child hunting or allow them to hunt with their friends without an adult present !
And I still say the crossbow being allowed in youth hunting would be a great tool to recruit more youth hunters, and it would bring the younger hunters that arent able to pulla VB back or are afraid of firearms to get into hunting, thenwhen they get strong enough (old enough) to pull a vb back they can then they will have more options.
Also with hunting with a crossbow IMO it can help them build the confidence they need to overcome the fear of a firearm. Or for the parents that dont feel comfortable with their child using a firearm again the crossbow IMO would ease the minds of parents since it isnt a firearm at all....lol.
Access to private property is a problem with more than just the youth hunters, we all could use more access to land that holds good deer populations & help farmers with crop destruction. But I agree there needs to be more land available for youths to hunt, and alot more youth only seasons or atleast more days during it !! Again I feel that the crossbow being used by youth in archery season would allow them alot more time in the woods being that time of the year archery season is a prime time for youths to enjoy the outdoors & deer hunting with more pleasant weather and less hunter activity.
Also geetin parents of children that are interested in hunting should allow them & a mentor hunter to hunt their own property when available, My wifes cousin wanted to get into hunting this past year, I was willing to take him & show him everything I knew, I only hunt public ground so we were going to try to find some private land closer to his home in hopes we could do some evening hunts after school & the weekends.
His parents own about 30 acres, that backs up to another 100 acres +/- but his mother (my wifes aunt) WOULDNT let us hunt her property even thoug she knew me very well trusted I would take care of her son & keep him safe ! She also supported him in the fact he wanted to hunt but was not about to allow him to deer hunt there, even though I was only takin him to harvest his own deer (I wouldnt hunt period) it was a NO !
She eventually allowed him to small game hunt there he amanged to take around 10 squirrels last year all together. But we have yet to deer hunt together & we are still tryin in the future to deer hunt somewhere, to him its too far to go to the public spots I hunt. Without that access to the property they own Her son may not ever get teh chance to deer hunt atleast not with me lol, he is just not willing to accept the drive time, and she is will to sacrifice a deer or two for him.
There are many different things we all need to do in order to try to get more youth involved in hunting, archery, the shooting sports, and well frankly the outdoors period. I am willing to do my part as are alot of other hunters on this site, but we have to have programs in place, better license structure, the parents on board, access to hunting land, possible other weapon options, and more hunting days set aside for youth hunters IMO to really get a good startin point to achieve that !
My 2 cents on it.......
God Bless & Good Luck to you all this season..........
~INDeerhunter~
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Post by INDeerhunter on Aug 16, 2011 11:10:49 GMT -5
Had some typos & misspellings in that post I think my thoughts got ahead of my fingers LMAO, but I think you got the idea of what I was trying to say.....
God Bless & Good Luck this season........
~INDeerhunter~
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Post by windingwinds on Aug 16, 2011 15:23:08 GMT -5
Hunter's Ed is a great opportunity for kids and adults alike. Getting rid of it would not be beneficial in my opinion. Making it easier to attend a session by holding them at local schools would be great.
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Post by M4Madness on Aug 16, 2011 15:49:14 GMT -5
I think that youth hunters should be able to use a crossbow. As someone who opposes crossbows in early archery season, I'd have NO problem whatsoever with youth hunters and those 60+ carrying crossbows during the entire archery season. I do believe Hunter Ed should be a required class in all public schools. It was when I was in junior high school. My workbook and hunter's education card are probably both still in storage at my mother's house after 30 years. |
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) most kids from hunting families probably have interest though. 
