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Post by jabba on Nov 29, 2011 13:04:02 GMT -5
I like to banter. None of this is personal for me. I am honestly sorry if I rub anyone the wrong way. All I know is what I know. I know that my buddies that do the same ol' atuff in the same ol spots have the same opinion as a lot of people here. But I got somewhere we none of us have ever hunted, and kil a couple deer, and the next thing I know.. they all want in on my action. So I bring them in, after all, what's a hunting buddy FOR? and I find another hot spot next year.
What most of my spots have in common is that they are 1/2 mile to a mile from access. The access is tough, and usually involves at least one, or more elevation changes, and it involves the thickest cover I can find. That's where the deer go when pressured by people with easy access, food plots, and that hunt within sight of the truck.
I don't kill many big bucks. I pass on a lot of small bucks. I take a fair number of does, and pass on more of them. and I am involved in many many deer a year. I have had at LEAST 10 deer killed off my labor this year, besides the 4 I have taken.
In no way do I know it all. The only thing I now for sure is whenever I THINK I have them figured out... I need to figure again. They change the game. They are adaptable, and are constantly changing their behavior for survival.
I was in the Navy until 1994, and did very little hunting before I got out. I killed my 1st deer in the 1994 season at the age of 26. That's 18 years. Some of you guys hunted 18 years before I killed my 1st one.
I am only trying to share my experiences. I don't like it when my fellow hunters are down. And it seems many people are. i have had the best year this year than I have had in a LONG time, as have my buddies. We were all pretty fat and coasting by last weekend. Me and my tightest 4 buddies have 17 in the bag this year. That is the best year we have had this early in years. I know I have had 10-12 passes for the 4 I took. Mostly because it was so hot... and I hunt 100 miles from the house and didn't want to let them hang in the hot weather.
Good luck everyone. I hope everyone has the season they want.
Jabba
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Post by kodiak50 on Nov 29, 2011 13:32:02 GMT -5
If I had to drive 100 miles to hunt I doubt I would do much if any at all.
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Post by jabba on Nov 29, 2011 13:42:07 GMT -5
... I hunted 11 of the 16 days of firearms season in 6 different counties. I'd drive 500 miles to hunt if I had to. We have a hunting cabin on 40 acres that we all contribute to and built, and keep up. For us it REALLY more about getting together, and the camaraderie of it all than it is the actual hunting. About developing the next generation, and being good ambassadors to the non-hunting people in our society.
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Post by deweydutchmen on Nov 29, 2011 13:47:27 GMT -5
... I hunted 11 of the 16 days of firearms season in 6 different counties. I'd drive 500 miles to hunt if I had to. We have a hunting cabin on 40 acres that we all contribute to and built, and keep up. For us it REALLY more about getting together, and the camaraderie of it all than it is the actual hunting. About developing the next generation, and being good ambassadors to the non-hunting people in our society. And ticking off your fellow hunters by tramping by their stands..lol
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Post by swilk on Nov 29, 2011 13:50:52 GMT -5
lol.
"stirring up" not tramping by.
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 6:54:40 GMT -5
Like I have said before... I see VERY few other hunters. and what makes your way right... and my way wrong? Why should a guy get ticked off? it's unreasonable to get ticked off if you SEE another hunter in the woods. If I do see a guy... I don't go back there. I can't remember a time I "stomped by" someone 2 times in a year. I guess I'll just as it's obvious people here don't want to share the woods with anyone else. They want their own little piece of public land, and everyone one else should be withing 1 mile of them. So I guess if I see a truck parked somewhere... I should draw a 1 mile circle around it, and NOT hunt within that circle? Jabba
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 30, 2011 6:57:57 GMT -5
on the main farm i hunt in miami county its an every other year thing. There are a few stands that always see deer because they are in the right by the main bedding areas.
it all depends on the crop rotation on the farm and surrounding
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Post by kodiak50 on Nov 30, 2011 7:45:49 GMT -5
Like I have said before... I see VERY few other hunters. and what makes your way right... and my way wrong? Why should a guy get ticked off? it's unreasonable to get ticked off if you SEE another hunter in the woods. If I do see a guy... I don't go back there. I can't remember a time I "stomped by" someone 2 times in a year. I guess I'll just as it's obvious people here don't want to share the woods with anyone else. They want their own little piece of public land, and everyone one else should be withing 1 mile of them. So I guess if I see a truck parked somewhere... I should draw a 1 mile circle around it, and NOT hunt within that circle? Jabba That is why I am more than happy to have ONLY 40 private acres to hunt. At least I don't have to be watching over my shoulder all the time. Of the 90 deer I have harvested all but a handfull {Kansas, Wisconsin} were taken on the 40 and from 4 different stand sites.
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 7:54:31 GMT -5
[quote author=kodiak50 board=deerhunting thread=40242 post=322414 time=1322657149
That is why I am more than happy to have ONLY 40 private acres to hunt. At least I don't have to be watching over my shoulder all the time. Of the 90 deer I have harvested all but a handfull {Kansas, Wisconsin} were taken on the 40 and from 4 different stand sites. [/quote]
Yeah man... but YOU'RE not complaining about not seeing deer. There are A LOT of people on here that are. To the point of wanting to change the rules, bag limits, and other things.
I think there are a lot of deer out there. At least where I hunt. We had a bout of blue tongue a few years ago, and the last few years have been down in numbers. I finally feel like the numbers have returned a little.
I was trying to share a different tactic, other than climb a tree and sit in it all day long... then come back, climb the same tree and sit in it all day long... hoping I see a few deer.
Seems like I am interpreted as a real bag of crap because I still hunt public land. To me... nothing is more fun than sneaking up on a deer in it's bedroom and killing it in it's own house. (snide comment typed and deleted...)
Jabba
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2011 7:59:18 GMT -5
Absolutely nothing wrong with still hunting. It has become a lost art for most hunters..
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 30, 2011 8:09:28 GMT -5
Absolutely nothing wrong with still hunting. It has become a lost art for most hunters.. I agree, its a lot of fun and very very exciting. Did that this year with a doe with bow from the ground, very exciting. I wouldn't do it in any area others were hunting but on the farms I hunt no one is supposed to be there LOL, which was proven wrong several times during firearm season LOL I think several issues this year could have caused deer movement to be down during shooting hours a) late plantings mean late harvest which rile up the deers feeding patterns b) early firearm season meaning while the farmers are harvesting the hunters are out putting up stands and scouting c) weather, got cold, warm, cold, warm. Messed up the spring fish breeding on the lakes I fish Now no one get upset with b) not saying it is a bad thing, just saying because it was a few days earlier it actually worked out to be a weekend early is all. I never really have that great of a firearm season anyways. The area I mainly hunt is mostly firearm season hunters so the bulk, probalby 90% of the hunting is done on opening weekend and the next 7-10 days and then the last weekend. This many more people out in the field means deer get pushed nocturnal rather quickly. And the fact that a huge portion of the yearly harvest happens on firearm opening weekend means less deer to be seen . I always see lots of deer in muzzleloader and late bow so I never get too worried
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Post by swilk on Nov 30, 2011 8:37:28 GMT -5
Absolutely nothing wrong with still hunting. It has become a lost art for most hunters.. I wouldn't do it in any area others were hunting but on the farms I hunt no one is supposed to be there LOL, which was proven wrong several times during firearm season LOL ding ding ding. Nothing at all wrong at all with "stirring up" deer .... but I can see how guys might get bent out of shape if a guy was "stirring up" deer in the same area of public property they were hunting. Seems like a common courtesy thing to me .... but I guess i could be wrong.
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Post by countrystyle56 on Nov 30, 2011 8:42:35 GMT -5
[quote author=kodiak50 board=deerhunting thread=40242 post=322414 time=1322657149 That is why I am more than happy to have ONLY 40 private acres to hunt. At least I don't have to be watching over my shoulder all the time. Of the 90 deer I have harvested all but a handfull {Kansas, Wisconsin} were taken on the 40 and from 4 different stand sites. Yeah man... but YOU'RE not complaining about not seeing deer. There are A LOT of people on here that are. To the point of wanting to change the rules, bag limits, and other things. I think there are a lot of deer out there. At least where I hunt. We had a bout of blue tongue a few years ago, and the last few years have been down in numbers. I finally feel like the numbers have returned a little. I was trying to share a different tactic, other than climb a tree and sit in it all day long... then come back, climb the same tree and sit in it all day long... hoping I see a few deer. Seems like I am interpreted as a real bag of crap because I still hunt public land. To me... nothing is more fun than sneaking up on a deer in it's bedroom and killing it in it's own house. (snide comment typed and deleted...) Jabba [/quote] People enjoy hunting for different reasons. Not everyone has to see a lot of deer to enjoy it. Some just enjoy the peace and tranquility of sitting in a deer stand enjoying nature. Then a "still hunter" comes strolling by them and it kills it. I haven't hunted public land, but I have hunted private land that others had permission to hunt. And yes, if there was already a truck where I was wanting to hunt, I would move on to another location. That's called being an ethical hunter. That's just how I was brought up. Don't screw up someone elses hunting out of greed. Not to mention it's pretty dangerous walking around the woods not knowing where other hunters are and them not knowing you are there.
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Post by dadfsr on Nov 30, 2011 8:51:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't do it in any area others were hunting but on the farms I hunt no one is supposed to be there LOL, which was proven wrong several times during firearm season LOL ding ding ding. Nothing at all wrong at all with "stirring up" deer .... but I can see how guys might get bent out of shape if a guy was "stirring up" deer in the same area of public property they were hunting. Seems like a common courtesy thing to me .... but I guess i could be wrong. Unless there are SPECIAL (and I repeat SPECIAL) rules on a public property hunt about stand hunting only, then any type of legal hunting methods can and should be used as fitting to the hunters capabilities. I see no difference between someone wanting to take hike off the beaten trail on any public property and someone wanting to do the same with a gun to hunt! I've still hunted for years and have always put meat in the freezer...I realize though that there are some people that are not comfortable with being on the ground and having to take extra measures to have a good hunt....those people should stay in their stands!!!
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 9:06:14 GMT -5
Nothing at all wrong at all with "stirring up" deer .... but I can see how guys might get bent out of shape if a guy was "stirring up" deer in the same area of public property they were hunting. Seems like a common courtesy thing to me .... but I guess i could be wrong. Again I ask... if I see a truck... am I allowed to hunt within a mile of said truck? Should I drive ALL possible roads around a spot I am planning to hunt before I hunt it? What about quad paths? am I required to take a look at those too before I am no longer considered an inconsiderate lout? Have I ever seen a guy in a stand while still hunting? Sure. Do I immediately make a wide circle around a guy if I do? You BET! I'd lay money that I disturb the woods a lot less than a guy packing a climber into the woods and climbing a tree. Then climbing back down when he leaves. I see deer all the time that walk into my path while I am hunting. If I was screwing the woods up... that wouldn't happen. Jabba
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Post by swilk on Nov 30, 2011 9:09:36 GMT -5
ding ding ding. Nothing at all wrong at all with "stirring up" deer .... but I can see how guys might get bent out of shape if a guy was "stirring up" deer in the same area of public property they were hunting. Seems like a common courtesy thing to me .... but I guess i could be wrong. Unless there are SPECIAL (and I repeat SPECIAL) rules on a public property hunt about stand hunting only, then any type of legal hunting methods can and should be used as fitting to the hunters capabilities. I see no difference between someone wanting to take hike off the beaten trail on any public property and someone wanting to do the same with a gun to hunt! I've still hunted for years and have always put meat in the freezer...I realize though that there are some people that are not comfortable with being on the ground and having to take extra measures to have a good hunt....those people should stay in their stands!!! Like I said ... i would think common courtesy might figure into a guys decision of whether to walk around public ground where other folks are hunting.
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 9:15:34 GMT -5
Like I said... I am as courteous as I can be.
What are YOUR limits for courtesy? If I see a hunter in Orange COUNTY should I drive to Davies County?
Jabba
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Post by swilk on Nov 30, 2011 9:16:59 GMT -5
Nothing at all wrong at all with "stirring up" deer .... but I can see how guys might get bent out of shape if a guy was "stirring up" deer in the same area of public property they were hunting. Seems like a common courtesy thing to me .... but I guess i could be wrong. Again I ask... if I see a truck... am I allowed to hunt within a mile of said truck? Should I drive ALL possible roads around a spot I am planning to hunt before I hunt it? What about quad paths? am I required to take a look at those too before I am no longer considered an inconsiderate lout? Have I ever seen a guy in a stand while still hunting? Sure. Do I immediately make a wide circle around a guy if I do? You BET! I'd lay money that I disturb the woods a lot less than a guy packing a climber into the woods and climbing a tree. Then climbing back down when he leaves. I see deer all the time that walk into my path while I am hunting. If I was screwing the woods up... that wouldn't happen. Jabba You are allowed to hunt wherever/however you want ... never said different. Dont confuse my pointing out the fact that it might wizz folks off as saying you arent allowed to do it. As to what you can do to keep from wizzing folks off ..... that is between you and them.
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 9:17:18 GMT -5
jabba, Dont take things to personal since you don't hunt the way others do or they don't hunt the way you do. We are all hunters... eh... just feelin' a little dog piled Woody. It's not like I NEVER sit still. I do... for an hour or so at a time. Maybe even half a day on opening day. But I have a REAL hard time sitting still. It hurts my broken back, I can't sit in a stand. I used to have a tree lounge... but it wasn't portable enough. I weigh 315, and that's down from 345 earlier this year. I guess I am supposed to look for a county or even state that doesn't have another hunter... and hope they didn't WALK or ride a QUAD in and are hunting there without ANY way of knowing they are there... boy, I would be an inconsiderate SOB then ? Jabba
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Post by jabba on Nov 30, 2011 9:19:58 GMT -5
I am trying to figure out what YOU want me to do Swilk. You are implying that I am discourteous. What would YOU have me do? You are Indiana Hunting GOD for a decade. Make a rule about being courteous to another hunter...
Tell me, how I should conduct myself. Is a 1 mile radius of a truck parked on the road sufficient? Or if I somehow encroach on someone ELSE's personal part of HNF am I a bastid?
Jabba
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