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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 12:23:05 GMT -5
I have and learned from them, this article is teaching the young lady this is acceptable. It is not, to most. Never said I wasn't happy the girl was enjoying the outdoors but, she should be taught correctly. My opinion is she is not. Don't agree, too bad!!
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Post by razor1616 on Dec 1, 2011 12:24:36 GMT -5
Ah I see your only 28, nuff said!!! Maybe when you grow up, you will see the difference. So you go and troll profiles to find out ways to "justify" your thinking over theirs? SO your 6 more years of experience gives you the ability to call out someone's age? You must have spent a lot of time in your "younger" years mentoring kids, because you sure know how to put them in their place. I completely agree with kirch86... Maybe we all will see things differently when we grow up... But until then we better shut up and keep our thoughts to ourselves and let our " elders" have a discussion. ~Razor
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 12:32:40 GMT -5
6 yrs? I wish, I am 54. My point was when I was 28 I would do all kinds of dumb to take a deer, things I would never do today. The point is, it is unethical to assume your gun has the power to make it thru one and still penetrate into another for a HUMANE KILL! Something most hunters with the experience and love of the hunt would always want. We owe it to the animals we hunt, period! As I said I am just glad I don't hunt with people that would not pay attention to what is beyond their target or just don't care enough to want to make a humane kill of an animal. That's a great thing to be taught to a very young hunters. Cudos to all of you, teach on.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2011 12:52:15 GMT -5
Let's leave age out of it. Everyone, no matter what age, can have an opinion. Discuss the opinion but personal stuff is bested left out of it.
I'm trying to enjoy my three day Illinois hunt so I'm not in the mood to seperately " kids" no matter want their age is . OK?
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Post by razor1616 on Dec 1, 2011 12:53:39 GMT -5
That is the point, I got your age from your profile just like you got this guy's from his. Was I correct? No, were you, maybe not.
I'm not commenting on the main discussion point of this thread, it bothered me seeing people going around commenting on ideas based on the age of the person who has it. Just because you are 54 does not make you any more or less of an expert than the next guy on any particular issue.
~Razor
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Post by swilk on Dec 1, 2011 12:56:23 GMT -5
The only thing I can say is I agree the Nintendo DS does not belong out with a loaded gun...this could have been bad if she'd was alone, I know she was with mom, but still, what about in the future when she is alone?..I think we've heard enough about horrible accidents because of carelessness. I am always glad to see youth hunting, but bad habits that may seem harmless pass into adulthood. My daughter had her DS as well as her iPod touch in the blind during this years youth season. I thought it important to fight boredom in any way possible .... didnt want her to hate hunting before she ever gave it a chance.
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 15:02:21 GMT -5
That is the point, I got your age from your profile just like you got this guy's from his. Was I correct? No, were you, maybe not. I'm not commenting on the main discussion point of this thread, it bothered me seeing people going around commenting on ideas based on the age of the person who has it. Just because you are 54 does not make you any more or less of an expert than the next guy on any particular issue. ~Razor Really? You have learned all you are going to in life at 25? No one said they were an expert just experienced enough to not do things I did in my twenties and what was meant by the comment.
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 15:04:34 GMT -5
Let's leave age out of it. Everyone, no matter what age, can have an opinion. Discuss the opinion but personal stuff is bested left out of it. I'm trying to enjoy my three day Illinois hunt so I'm not in the mood to seperately " kids" no matter want their age is . OK? Gotta love a mod that uses his place to flame a poster, to get the last word! Who are the kiddies, now? Real class act! So go ahead and ban me. Couldn't just leave it at" leave age outta of it" ? Instead you have to do the same thing you are telling us not to.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2011 15:47:38 GMT -5
Never mentioned age, just the way this thread is going. It is just pretty childish to equate age as a limiting factor on expressing an opinion . Ban? Yes, sir that can be arranged real quick like if that is what you are seeking.
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Post by countrystyle56 on Dec 1, 2011 16:05:02 GMT -5
The only thing I can say is I agree the Nintendo DS does not belong out with a loaded gun...this could have been bad if she'd was alone, I know she was with mom, but still, what about in the future when she is alone?..I think we've heard enough about horrible accidents because of carelessness. I am always glad to see youth hunting, but bad habits that may seem harmless pass into adulthood. My daughter had her DS as well as her iPod touch in the blind during this years youth season. I thought it important to fight boredom in any way possible .... didnt want her to hate hunting before she ever gave it a chance. This is my thinking as well Swilk. Would be different if we were seeing a lot of deer where I hunt like we did when I started. Squirrels can only keep a 6, 7, 8 year old entertained for so long. And whoever made the statement about the adult electronics in the stand. No need to be hypocritical towards the youngn's.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 1, 2011 16:07:43 GMT -5
you like that Woody, thats my post, I like to hit these types of people right in the forehead with their own behavior.
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Post by woody1071 on Dec 1, 2011 23:05:30 GMT -5
Without a Nintendo DS my 6 year old son will stay out with me for about 15 minutes before he is ready to go. With DS we can stay out for a couple of hours. We saw deer together for the first time in bow season this year because of it. I almost got a shot. I'm a big proponent of electronics for little ones while hunting.
Heck they can even play a hunting game.
Not a big deal.
I'll withhold my comments on the shooting of two deer. I wasn't there and I don't know what her and her mother discussed before and after the shot. I mean I suppose it is possible that the mother didn't see that there were two deer directly in the line of fire. The details just are not in the article to criticize that, in my opinion.
Good Luck the rest of season everyone!
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 2, 2011 0:51:29 GMT -5
My comment is probably not going to be liked but the girl needs to be taught be awhere of what is behind your target. To me no self respecting hunter would shoot at a deer with one right beside it. At fear of just wounding the second deer. This is a bad article and should not be bragged upon. Seems it is just teaching the young lady to not concern herself beyond what she is intending to shoot. Very unethical. I thought the same thing when I read it. Be aware of what's behind what you are shooting at. Agreed this whole story is wrong and not for any one to "like" she made a bad unethical shot. I dont care if she is 8 or not.
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Post by kdog8173 on Dec 2, 2011 8:58:01 GMT -5
im proud of her regardless of if she shot 0,1,or 2 deer. better than my kids staring at facebook all the time. GOOD FOR HER AND MOM
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Post by countrystyle56 on Dec 2, 2011 9:30:40 GMT -5
im proud of her regardless of if she shot 0,1,or 2 deer. better than my kids staring at facebook all the time. GOOD FOR HER AND MOM Its not that anyone isn't proud of her. Most on here are all for kids hunting. But not very many are for kids not being taught ethical hunting. IMO
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Post by huntingman on Dec 2, 2011 16:57:10 GMT -5
The age thing reallt gets to me. I'll get in a conversations about hunting and wildlife management, and the adults in the group with look at me like I should shut up, because I'm to "young ",alot of time by the end of the conversations the adults are dumbfounded. not trying to brag or anything but i have left my teachers dumbfounded with some of my points and views on hunting. Alot of them now support it and leave it alone, when they used to be very opinionated about it. Age should never be a factor. Only knowledge.
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Post by countrystyle56 on Dec 2, 2011 20:09:49 GMT -5
I think the thread has moved past the age thing. No need to rehash it.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 3, 2011 4:10:44 GMT -5
I would agree that taking two deer with one shot in not an ethical or safe thing to do, with that said its pretty cool that this lady took her daughter hunting and the little girl put down not one but two deer at 8 yrs old !! I can bet that this little girl will have fond memories of the time her and mommy went hunting and she put the smack on two deer with one shot, something that not many ( for whatever reason being ) have or will ever do !
Also with that said I doubt the 8 yr old little girl meant to shoot both deer but I could be wrong I would hope with alot of the others on here that mom didnt tell her daughter to attempt to shoot both deer with one shot.
Just to throw it out there since alot of the details are left out of the article does anyone wonder if the little girl wasnt covered under a "youth license" where seperate deer tags would be needed, would the outcome be different ?
Meaning do you think that the shot would have still been made and the little girl just would of happened to have 2 doe tags ? Or the fact that more than likely she would have had 1 tag do you think mom would have seen the other deer behind the first ?
Honestly speaking the reason for the question is what happens in that situation or one in the future when the little girl (or any hunter) is hunting in the future, doesnt notice both deer side by side, places a shot on the one and happens to kill two deer, what is that constitute as.....poaching.....accident......poor decision....safety concern.....or still an amazing shot ? Just curious the thoughts of you all on that one.......
Good Luck the rest of the season ! ~INDeerhunter~
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Post by kirch86 on Dec 3, 2011 9:51:41 GMT -5
INDeerhunter, I would think that it depends on how it was handled after the kill. If they tried to cover it up by buying another tag then they would probally get a fine. If they walked up and realized what had happened and called out a co then it would be a judgement call for the CO more than likely with the CO issuing a tag for the 2nd deer.
I had a buddy that went out hunting with one of his friends. His friend shot a doe and they were tracking it. It popped up and took off running and he his buddy shot and killed it. Come to find out the doe that popped up was a different one and they found the first doe. My buddy bought a bounus tag and checked it in and a CO showed up a couple weeks later. They were both issued tickets and the CO said it comes down to intent. If they would have just called a CO out when it happened neither one of them would have been in trouble.
I guess a lot of it depends what the CO thinks about the situation. . . Just my thoughts
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 3, 2011 10:39:18 GMT -5
Kirch
How did the CO even know or find out about the situation? Just curious, not that I promote that kind of behavoir. But, if not caught in the act, how were they even found out?
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