|
Post by joeyb on Oct 23, 2012 11:04:22 GMT -5
Thanks all. They guy I hunt with has an H&R 44 mag. He likes it a lot too. I think I'm going to scoot on down to Gander Mountain this weekend and grab one. I'll try it out for this year and maybe next. If I like it I may spend a little more money and move up to a bolt action in the coming year or two.
|
|
|
Post by mkfrench on Oct 23, 2012 16:08:40 GMT -5
I think when people hear "rifle" for Indiana they think "long range". No "rifle" you can legally use in Indiana has more knock down power(0-200 yards) or I'm guessing accuracy, than a well equipped slug gun or muzzleloader. Not knocking them, just think people have them on a little higher pedestal than they should be. Nothing like a big ol' foster style slug thru the shoulders to drop a deer(inside of 75 yards) Wish I could talk myself out using my Encore ML and pick up my old smoothbore slug chunker.
|
|
|
Post by jjas on Oct 23, 2012 17:15:42 GMT -5
I think when people hear "rifle" for Indiana they think "long range". No "rifle" you can legally use in Indiana has more knock down power(0-200 yards) or I'm guessing accuracy, than a well equipped slug gun or muzzleloader. Not knocking them, just think people have them on a little higher pedestal than they should be. Nothing like a big ol' foster style slug thru the shoulders to drop a deer(inside of 75 yards) Wish I could talk myself out using my Encore ML and pick up my old smoothbore slug chunker. They may not have any more "knock down" power, but they are a whole bunch cheaper to shoot. Ammo for my sons .357 handi runs about .45 cents per shot, my .44 runs about .65 cents per shot. I'll take that any day over $2.00-$4.00per shot for saboted slugs or even $1.00 per shot for foster slugs.
|
|
|
Post by mkfrench on Oct 23, 2012 17:41:15 GMT -5
They may not have any more "knock down" power, but they are a whole bunch cheaper to shoot. Ammo for my sons .357 handi runs about .45 cents per shot, my .44 runs about .65 cents per shot. I'll take that any day over $2.00-$4.00per shot for saboted slugs or even $1.00 per shot for foster slugs. [/quote]
Good point. I didn't think about that aspect. I know I don't miss the bruised shoulder from a day that range with the shotgun
|
|
|
Post by steiny on Oct 23, 2012 19:04:02 GMT -5
When you get into some of the legal wildcat rounds, range and accuracy are quite a bit better than any slug gun, plus less recoil.
|
|
|
Post by steve46511 on Oct 23, 2012 19:33:25 GMT -5
" No "rifle" you can legally use in Indiana has more knock down power(0-200 yards) or I'm guessing accuracy, than a well equipped slug gun or muzzleloader" Uh......NOOOOOOOOOO rifle you can use legally? Perhaps the handgun round versions.......... I've yet to see a slug chart showing over a ton of energy remaining clear out to 225 yards, and that is NOT loaded "to the teeth" in my 350JR and there are some out there that they load hotter. There are indeed some super slugs out today, but there is no possible way to over come the extremely low ballistic coefficient of even the best of slugs. At truly LONG ranges like your suggested 200 yards, they simply no longer have the speed to do more than punch a hole. Work? yes........but "knock down power"? At 200 yards even my mediocre to many 350JR is still going over 2000 fps with a 225 grain Nosler and over 2100 ftlbs of energy with a bullet that "opens up" at 1600 fps. I've yet to see any slug even approach those statistics at 200 yards. Until you've witness a "bang-flop" with ZERO distance ran (without it being a spine shot), you have not seen "knock down power"..........at least IMHO. I HAVE seen that many times with great slugs and slug guns...UNDER 100 yards. I'm NOT knocking slugs. They have worked well for DECADES but they are NOT "effective" 200 yard projectiles. www.buckmasters.com/the-shotgun-slug-knockdown-myth.aspx2 cents. God Bless Steve
|
|
|
Post by steiny on Oct 23, 2012 19:40:35 GMT -5
Well put Steve46511.
"Knock down power" really doesn't mean jack anyway, particularlly on whitetails. Accuracy to put your bullet on the mark is the critical component, and this is where the wildcat rounds really outshine slug guns.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 19:47:24 GMT -5
Even though shotgun slugs have evolved to nearly equal ML ballistics, they remain at the bottom of the list of the choices a hunter has today.
I'd rate the wildcats at the top, followed by the pistol cart. rifles(most calibers), then the smokeless MLers, then any ML with saboted bullets, then modern shotguns firing modern slugs other than fosters. Smoothbores with foster type slugs would bring up the rear.
Several of those listed above are 200 yd. + capable, some not. I'd put the .357 and the 20 ga. in the not catagory.
|
|
|
Post by firstwd on Oct 23, 2012 20:49:24 GMT -5
....and none of it matters a bit if the shooter can't put the round in the correct spot.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 21:00:54 GMT -5
....and none of it matters a bit if the shooter can't put the round in the correct spot. Which is the main reason rifles are better than shotguns
|
|
|
Post by joeyb on Nov 9, 2012 9:38:29 GMT -5
Well put Steve46511. "Knock down power" really doesn't mean jack anyway, particularly on whitetails. Accuracy to put your bullet on the mark is the critical component, and this is where the wildcat rounds really outshine slug guns. ^^This. More than anything I just want to try something new. I know my 12 gauge, 20 gauge, and ML will work, I've shot a bunch of deer with all 3. I think it'll be fun to try a different approach, and this 44mag was the answer. Well I'm bringing this thread back to life to tell yall that I purchased the H&R 44mag. Took me a little longer then expected to raise the funds. Had to buy my wife a new car, and all my cash went to the down payment.... I'm sure you know how that goes. I ended calling Gander Mtn., Braddis (Camby), Plainfield Shooting Supply, Ft. Liberty Firearms (Avon), and Morton Guns & Cheese. They all had them for around $279.99 - $300.00. I was surprised when I stopped at Dicks to get some Dead Down Wind, and the gun was only $250. So far I love it. I'm just having a hard time finding Hornady Lever Revolution bullets. Can't wait to get it in a deer stand come Nov. 17. Here she be...
|
|
|
Post by oldhoyt on Nov 9, 2012 10:57:31 GMT -5
That will work.
Along the lines of the 357 Max., the idea of stretching a 44 mag case to 1.8 intrigues me. It would essentially be a 460 at that point.
|
|
|
Post by Boilermaker on Nov 9, 2012 11:01:09 GMT -5
What scope did you put on it?
|
|
|
Post by joeyb on Nov 9, 2012 12:07:33 GMT -5
What scope did you put on it? Well I've got a couple I'm going to try out. The one on there in the pic is a cheap $50 Center Point red/green dot shotgun scope. I have a Leupold Rifleman rifle scope also, and most likely what I will put on it. It's on my ML right now. Couple people I've talked to have said they like the shotgun scope since it's such a short gun. With the shotgun scope you don't have to get up on it as much to get your full view. I'm going to try both and see which I like, but I've got short arms. So either one will probably work for me. I think I'd rather have the rifle scope just for accuracy and magnification, and it's just a much better scope in general.
|
|
|
Post by troutline on Nov 9, 2012 18:38:51 GMT -5
Started with a Ruger 77/44 for the last couple years but did not like the accuracy. Got a remington 760 in 35 rem for this year. Trimed the brass to 1.8 with 180 gr bullets with good results.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 18:47:00 GMT -5
find someone to reload some bullets for your new gun. you will be far more pleased with performance from those than any out of the box bullets you can find. i shoot a 240 grain flat nose with 25 grains of powder behind them. shot this out to 200 yards and its around 2 inches high at 50 and 4 inches low at 200. open field shot and id stretch that to 250 if need be.
|
|
|
Post by schoolmaster on Nov 10, 2012 0:32:16 GMT -5
WW white box 240 grain softpoints have worked well.
|
|
|
Post by davepowers on Nov 10, 2012 12:46:28 GMT -5
Get a ATI stock for it $49 it adjust from 9 1/4 to 13 3/4.
|
|
|
Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 10, 2012 22:02:00 GMT -5
I have a Rem 870 20 gauge, shooting Copper solids its dead on at 100, 4" low at 150 and 13 at 200.
I would undoubtingly take a 200 yard shot, it shoots great at that distance, punches straight holes no key holes.
Hornady makes a heck of a 20 gauge round also
|
|
dakid
Full Member
Posts: 62
|
Post by dakid on Nov 11, 2012 9:24:52 GMT -5
Troutline, what load you using in your remmy?
|
|