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Post by parson on Sept 11, 2014 15:14:42 GMT -5
Does anyone here have first-hand knowledge of goats, or other farm animals, being taken to deer check stations? I've heard the stories in different states, but have never been able to substantiate any such happenings.
I ask because this came up in an on-line discussion as a reason to not pass the current proposal regarding caliber restrictions.
So, urban legend, or do such truly walk among us?
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Post by schall53 on Sept 11, 2014 15:30:49 GMT -5
The closest I have seen was out in Wyoming. I witnessed an old guy shoot a doe mule deer. I went over to give him a hand field dressing it . After I got done I asked him for his tag and he gave me a doe/fawn ANTELOPE tag. Needless to say, I set him straight and got out of there to avoid being charged as an accomplice.
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Post by swilk on Sept 11, 2014 16:33:05 GMT -5
Urban legend....mostly. you might find one or two "true" stories over the years but you won't find many.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 11, 2014 16:38:14 GMT -5
I suppose rabbits kept as livestock could legitimately be checked in as bucks or does, as the case may be.
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Post by span870 on Sept 11, 2014 16:50:10 GMT -5
I don't understand. Why would they?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:07:09 GMT -5
When elk were first reintroduced in Ky, some yahoo got busted parading through town showing one off that he had killed...(before they started the hunts). You can't legislate for stupidity.
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Post by parson on Sept 11, 2014 19:43:05 GMT -5
I don't understand. Why would they? I think that it is meant to illustrate the ignorance of the masses who would be loosed with weapons of mass destruction if pending proposal becomes law.
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Post by span870 on Sept 11, 2014 20:50:57 GMT -5
Ahh tongue in cheek?
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Post by GS1 on Sept 11, 2014 21:24:41 GMT -5
A quick search on Google found several newspaper articles of horses being mistaken for deer or moose. I couldn't find the article about the elk calf that was shot in Kentucky several years ago and the shooters thought it was a deer.
It happens. The same guy that does it at 200 yards with a rifle is going to do it with a slug gun or muzzleloader too.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 12, 2014 6:42:18 GMT -5
Male Rabbits are called bucks, female rabbits are called does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 6:45:21 GMT -5
Male Rabbits are called bucks, female rabbits are called does. Same goes for goats too!
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 12, 2014 7:11:01 GMT -5
I hear goat is very popular in parts of KY. I'd actually like to try it if it were prepared by someone that knew what they were doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 7:22:31 GMT -5
Goats and deer are pretty similar animals. They have similar diets. I would imagine they taste similar too, though I've never knowingly eaten it. I'm told a lot of pepperoni is made from goat though. So I may have eaten it and not known it.
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Post by span870 on Sept 12, 2014 8:01:18 GMT -5
Male Rabbits are called bucks, female rabbits are called does. I realize that. I raise rabbits. Where I'm lost is, is this something that happens or is it a joke? Do people really take goats and check them in as deer and if so why would they? So lost here. Are we talking about idiots shooting something and thinking its a deer and checking it in or???
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 12, 2014 8:05:24 GMT -5
A quick search on Google found several newspaper articles of horses being mistaken for deer or moose. I couldn't find the article about the elk calf that was shot in Kentucky several years ago and the shooters thought it was a deer. It happens. The same guy that does it at 200 yards with a rifle is going to do it with a slug gun or muzzleloader too. Misidentification of the target would not matter much what weapon is in hand. I had a cousin who was walking in very early one morning at Glendale F&WA carrying an old climber with plywood floor and thought that a branch had hit the climber. When he got to his spot, he took the climber off his back and found an arrow stuck in the plywood. He immediately walked back out but the truck he had parked next to was already gone. He was very lucky & the other guy was really stupid for shooting before legal light & not making a positive id of his target.
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 12, 2014 8:46:42 GMT -5
Omega, one of the state's few bowhunting fatalities involving shooting, as opposed to falling from treestands or having heart attacks while dragging, was the result of a very similar illegal early shot and misidentification of a treestand on the victims back as antlers. Don't recall the exact date or location, but it was in the northern part of the state a couple of generations ago, maybe forty years.
A guy we used to shoot with sometimes from the Columbus area was shot through the middle the same way at Atterbury, and survived. The guy taking the "sound shot" in his case stayed to help, but had jumped the fence to poach there, and thought the hunter was a deer coming in on the deer trail he knew was there. The victim needed repeated surgeries to regain most of his health and mobility, but was still wearing a back brace several years later, when I saw him last.
Re the ANIMAL misidentifications, I don't know of any specifically at check stations, but have also heard the rumors. I did chat with a farmer once who raised goats that were very similar in color to deer, and he said he finally had to get blaze orange collars for his, to avoid losing any more. Also remember talking to a dairy farmer once who had had a few encounters with guys trying to shoot one of his Jersey cows. Their size and coloration made them much easier to be seen as deer by the inexperienced hunter with no knowledge of dairy cattle.
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Post by drs on Sept 12, 2014 8:51:19 GMT -5
I hear goat is very popular in parts of KY. I'd actually like to try it if it were prepared by someone that knew what they were doing. There is a goat farm, up the main road from my place, and they raise goats for meat.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 12, 2014 9:35:28 GMT -5
A quick search on Google found several newspaper articles of horses being mistaken for deer or moose. I couldn't find the article about the elk calf that was shot in Kentucky several years ago and the shooters thought it was a deer. It happens. The same guy that does it at 200 yards with a rifle is going to do it with a slug gun or muzzleloader too. Misidentification of the target would not matter much what weapon is in hand. I had a cousin who was walking in very early one morning at Glendale F&WA carrying an old climber with plywood floor and thought that a branch had hit the climber. When he got to his spot, he took the climber off his back and found an arrow stuck in the plywood. He immediately walked back out but the truck he had parked next to was already gone. He was very lucky & the other guy was really stupid for shooting before legal light & not making a positive id of his target. I was deer hunting in TN maybe 10-15yrs ago on public land and while walking to the spot I had decided to try out I heard something whiz by me in the dark; took me a second to realize some fool had shot an arrow at me.
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Post by parson on Sept 12, 2014 10:27:28 GMT -5
As for goat meat, there is a farmer who sets up at the Cumberland Farmer's market, far east side of Indy, he sells goat and lamb. I'm surprised at the amount he sells.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Sept 13, 2014 10:23:58 GMT -5
A teenage boy hunting the same woods as me in Ky once swore up and down he shot a deer but wasn't sure if it was a buck or doe and when we got there it was a coyote.
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