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Post by swilk on Oct 24, 2014 7:36:07 GMT -5
Exactly what is the topic of this thread? The mold they try and put schools into so they can be graded and the criteria associated with that grade? Or the fact the grade for a charter school was changed and the reason that was given for that change was school either didnt properly fit that mold or that certain criteria is flawed or corrupted in some way?
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Post by GS1 on Oct 24, 2014 7:39:57 GMT -5
Greyhair - before you try and lump everyone into the same mold its best to make sure they all fit. Personal experience as well as current observations of our educational system form at least three of the opinions here.....ain't got nothing to do with labor unions or politics. "The new rule allows the state board to make case-by-case decisions for those schools’ grades. It can even choose a different grade calculation method." So you have a Republican board and a Democrat superintendent (who they want to get rid of). They pass rules like this that benifit the same schools that donate to their party and you're going to say it is not politically motivated? Did you read the article? It shows more of what's wrong with the public school system besides a few lazy teachers that are far outnumbered by lazy students.
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Post by swilk on Oct 24, 2014 7:45:54 GMT -5
No .... I said the opinions of the three comments here have nothing to do with politics and are based on personal experience and observations.
With the exception of mentioning some schools getting caught cheating on the standardized tests I have not mentioned teachers .... the system is broken from top to bottom without a doubt and politics play a part. My opinion is not politically motivated though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:00:13 GMT -5
The fact that the state has been caught falsifying the data for this same school twice in 3 years. The only reason is its one of the "pet" charter schools the state wants to showcase as a success. THAT. Is CRIMINAL!!! It's what got Tony Bennett run out of here and they've done it AGAIN!!!
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Post by swilk on Oct 24, 2014 8:07:07 GMT -5
Is it possible the criteria for fitting in the mold is flawed? That one size does not fit all?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:13:31 GMT -5
The whole thing is flawed. But they don't go changing other schools' grades. They created the mold to showcase the schools try want to succeed. When that doesn't work to suit them, they fudge the numbers. Other schools find problems and beg the state to reevaluate their data and get turned down flat. Want to know how I know??? I won't claim to be an expert on much, but I am on this.
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Post by swilk on Oct 24, 2014 8:17:48 GMT -5
k ... so you are upset the rules were changed in what appears to be a case of politics and I am upset the rules themselves are FUBAR'ed.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 25, 2014 5:26:27 GMT -5
Common Core, as written, does have some issues. The idea of common core makes ultimate sense, though. If we are going to rank states against each other based on standardized tests, how can you do that when each state has different standards? Answer? You cant...but we do. Indiana's standards are consistently ranked among the most difficult of any state...in fact, our Social Studies standards are #1. Yet we are ranked along side states that have much less stringent standards. (The same holds true when ranking nations of the world, by the way...not to mention the fact that most of the countries "ranked ahead of us" only test their best and brightest students while we test almost 100% of our students...real fair, ?) Bill Gates selected the idiots who wrote the common core. Very few actual teachers were allowed in on the process. That's completely backwards. Its also politics and big money. There's your problem! OH YEAH! Bill Gates selected the idiots who wrote common core and the Teacher's could do a much better job. ( who are not influenced by Politics and Big Money) , ( ie. NEA biggest political corrupted organization in North America)....lol. I've worked in Education for 15 years and continue to work in Education...and if you think the teachers are not part of the Political Machine and Big Money you're living under a rock...yea I figured out you're a teacher. The SChools Systems Nation Wide are a JOKE....Privatize Education and get the Liberal Indoctrination out of our Public Schools.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 27, 2014 5:54:43 GMT -5
Ridgerunner, are you a member of the ISTA?
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 27, 2014 9:08:36 GMT -5
IMO, this argument is an example of the problem with over-regulation and the over-reaching influence of the government from the top down, during all administrations in the last couple generations.
When the government is involved in regulating EVERYTHING, then EVERYTHING becomes a political argument.
Most of the "benefit" of government involvement is in "standardizing" things. The fact seems to have gotten lost along the way that standardizing lowers the peaks as it fills in the valleys....and it's on a good day that the result is the average of what you started with, because there is time and effort lost in the process.
From what I have read about the period leading up to WW II, the Nazi's were somewhat fanatical about standardization, and inserting governmental control into every aspect of the public's life.
Kinda funny how many times we repeat the same mistakes we or others have made, when we choose to ignore the lessons of history.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 28, 2014 4:43:32 GMT -5
Ridgerunner, are you a member of the ISTA? absolutely not!
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 28, 2014 4:46:14 GMT -5
IMO, this argument is an example of the problem with over-regulation and the over-reaching influence of the government from the top down, during all administrations in the last couple generations. When the government is involved in regulating EVERYTHING, then EVERYTHING becomes a political argument. Most of the "benefit" of government involvement is in "standardizing" things. The fact seems to have gotten lost along the way that standardizing lowers the peaks as it fills in the valleys....and it's on a good day that the result is the average of what you started with, because there is time and effort lost in the process. From what I have read about the period leading up to WW II, the Nazi's were somewhat fanatical about standardization, and inserting governmental control into every aspect of the public's life. Kinda funny how many times we repeat the same mistakes we or others have made, when we choose to ignore the lessons of history. Yes Russ, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity. These liberal Democrats are thick headed.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 28, 2014 4:46:25 GMT -5
IMO, this argument is an example of the problem with over-regulation and the over-reaching influence of the government from the top down, during all administrations in the last couple generations. When the government is involved in regulating EVERYTHING, then EVERYTHING becomes a political argument. Most of the "benefit" of government involvement is in "standardizing" things. The fact seems to have gotten lost along the way that standardizing lowers the peaks as it fills in the valleys....and it's on a good day that the result is the average of what you started with, because there is time and effort lost in the process. From what I have read about the period leading up to WW II, the Nazi's were somewhat fanatical about standardization, and inserting governmental control into every aspect of the public's life. Kinda funny how many times we repeat the same mistakes we or others have made, when we choose to ignore the lessons of history. Yes Russ, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity. These liberal Democrats are thick headed.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 28, 2014 5:03:38 GMT -5
I am not trying to be a smart butt. But if you dislike public education that much why don't you go into a different line of work?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 5:53:06 GMT -5
I am not trying to be a smart butt. But if you dislike public education that much why don't you go into a different line of work? I LOVE my profession. I HATE, That the government has turned it into a high stakes competition between school districts with VASTLY different clientele and expect EVERY child to be able to clear the same hurdles (even though some kids have one hell of a lot more hurdles than others). I also hate that our state government is manipulating the grades of its pet charter schools and so few here seem to mind. If you can overlook the actions of your state government with regard to this situation, then YOU must be living under a rock. That's my final word on the subject. I won't post anything else about education here since it appears that most here don't respect what I and my colleagues do for a living. Let's get back to talking about hunting and leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 5:54:29 GMT -5
I am not trying to be a smart butt. But if you dislike public education that much why don't you go into a different line of work? I LOVE my profession. I HATE that the government has turned it into a high stakes competition between school districts with VASTLY different clientele and expect EVERY child to be able to clear the same hurdles (even though some kids have one hell of a lot more hurdles than others). I also hate that our state government is manipulating the grades of its pet charter schools and so few here seem to mind. If you can overlook the actions of your state government with regard to this situation, then YOU must be living under a rock. That's my final word on the subject. I won't post anything else about education here since it appears that most here don't respect what I and my colleagues do for a living. Let's get back to talking about hunting and leave it at that.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 28, 2014 6:06:01 GMT -5
Sorry not you metamorahunter. I was talking to ridgerunner
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Post by parrothead on Oct 28, 2014 6:07:55 GMT -5
OH, and your preaching to the choir this is my 18th year of teaching 5th grade in a Title 1 building with 84% free and reduced.
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 28, 2014 8:52:40 GMT -5
Yet nobody here seems to want to address the topic of this thread. I guess it doesn't bother anyone... Yes it does but it is hunting season and I thought this was a hunting form. If I want to participate in this kind of I'm right you're wrong I can go to other forms
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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2014 8:57:55 GMT -5
It is in the "Political" area of the forum .... we can multitask cant we?
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