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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 8:12:38 GMT -5
then things will never change. Congress won't pass term limit legislation because they all want to stay in congress for as long as they want. It will take a revolution to change that. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 8:26:30 GMT -5
Legal or not comes down to the opinions of 9 people dressed in black robes....their predecessors have already said there are limitations to our constitutional right. I disagree with their opinion but I doubt they care..... How true! Which is why the Presidential Election is so important. It's the President of the United States that nominates the Supreme Court Justices. And the US Senate is very important too as they have to vote to confirm or reject these nominees.
The US Supreme Court Justices serve for life or as long as they want. I'm not aware of any way to actually legally remove them from the Court other than if they retire or die.
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Post by drs on Mar 25, 2015 8:36:02 GMT -5
I too never-ever though once that .22 LR ammunition would be in short supplies. Growing-up one could find .22 LR or any .22 Rimfire ammo anywhere, even in Grocery Stores!! During the Vietnam War, ammunition wasn't as hard to find as it is today. Interesting to note: all these shortages/restrictions began when Obama became our President. My question why doesn't Congress offer a solution to deal this mess. I think that when Obama was elected a lot of people got scared that he was in the White House. So they purchased guns and ammo in excess. This is what may have caused the shortages. The manufactures could not keep up with the new demands. And we had two wars going at one time in the past when Bush Jr was in office. The military used a lot of materials for the war. Brass and lead were being used more than normal to keep the military supplied with bullets. This too lead to the low supplies of ammo available to the civilian market.
I also think that a lot of people who are new tend to start out buying a 22 pistol or rifle as their first weapon. This increased the demand for 22 ammo. I've seen people with 22 auto shooting at the range all day long and going trough bricks of 22 LR ammo in one day. Then they go back to the store with friends and relatives and buy up all the ammo as soon as the store gets a new shipment in. These people go early in the morning to buy up all the ammo they can. This has to be one of the reasons we have a limited or no supply of 22 LR ammo in my area. I wish it were not so. I had to pay $70 for a Brick of 22 LR ammo last summer and won't shoot it all at once for fear or not being able to find anymore. I never bought 22 LR ammo by the Brick before. I always paid a couple dollars for a box of 50 shells in the past. I also don't shoot my 22 rifle very much and have only used it once or twice in the last 20 years.
I must agree with your post, moose1am. When I lived in Evansville, I could find all kinds of ammunition & reloading supplies, from one of the many stores there, and even .22 LR of all type brands. This was a fact, having living there for some 35 years, never had to order anything, as it was always at one of the stores especially RAJO's or Red Ghost Gun Shop. Before my Brother and I moved here in Central Kentucky; back in July of 2008; I purchased, from the Westside Rural King, 10 boxes of 100 .22 LR CCI Mini-Mag Hollow Point ammo paying $3.75/box. Down here I purchased two "bricks" of Winchester Super-X .22 LR HP ammo. Additionally, when I bought a Marlin Model 60 from our local Walmart, I received a FREE box of 550 .22 LR Federal brand ammunition, which was in the Spring of 2009. TODAY that same Walmart hasn't had ONE box of .22 LR shells going on four years now. Don't know the reason behind this, but you give a valid reason, they must sell them very early in the morning or hold them for their "Friends". Our Walmart stays open 24/7.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 8:54:44 GMT -5
I heard that surplus military empty rifle & pistol cartridges are being ground-up and the brass is sold to Red China. Under Obama's orders, and kept out of the hands of citizens and those business that sell once fired re-manufactured ammunition, making .223 ammo and other types in short supply. Please cite your sources. When you say "I heard" that really doesn't tell me who said that. I'd like to know the reliability of your source of information.
I have a box of the 5.56 Ball 855M ammo and am curious to know if it's legal to possess it and shoot it.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 9:05:16 GMT -5
I must agree with your post, moose1am. When I lived in Evansville, I could find all kinds of ammunition & reloading supplies, from one of the many stores there, and even .22 LR of all type brands. This was a fact, having living there for some 35 years, never had to order anything, as it was always at one of the stores especially RAJO's or Red Ghost Gun Shop. Before my Brother and I moved here in Central Kentucky; back in July of 2008; I purchased, from the Westside Rural King, 10 boxes of 100 .22 LR CCI Mini-Mag Hollow Point ammo paying $3.75/box. Down here I purchased two "bricks" of Winchester Super-X .22 LR HP ammo. Additionally, when I bought a Marlin Model 60 from our local Walmart, I received a FREE box of 550 .22 LR Federal brand ammunition, which was in the Spring of 2009. TODAY that same Walmart hasn't had ONE box of .22 LR shells going on four years now. Don't know the reason behind this, but you give a valid reason, they must sell them very early in the morning or hold them for their "Friends". Our Walmart stays open 24/7.Man your post brings back good memories of Rajo's and Rural King and even the old K-Mart. They all had plenty of 22 LR and other 22 ammo in stock for low prices back in those days.I was in the Hospital recovering from open heart surgery and a mrsa bacterial infection in the early spring of 2009. I was looking out the window at the hospital downtown in Evansville and wishing I could be outside fishing instead of lying in a hospital bed. I was in there for 37 days total. I was there for a week after having a heart attack and waiting to have my open heart operation. Then I was there for the rest of the time trying to recover from the operation. I got a bug of some kind and had to undergo long term antibiotic treatments. They even had to give me blood at one point in time. They with drew 1.5 liters of bloody liquid from my left lung the day before I was finally discharged. I was having trouble breathing when I laid down. I actually was suffocating from the fluids in my lungs. I felt a lot better after they removed all that fluid from my left lung with a long needle. They stick the needle into your back and deep into your chest and into the lung and with draw the fluid with a big syringe. The actually procedure didn't hurt but the next day I could hardly breath without extreme pain as they also removed the fluid from the plural spaces which reduces friction when your lungs expand and contract. It took a day for those lubricating fluids to get back into the plural spaces between the lung and the chest wall. 2009 was the year that I almost died. I'm 6 years post op now and doing better. I started wanting to get out and hunt in order to get more exercise.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 9:06:07 GMT -5
At this point it won't make a bit of difference what the "truth" is when it comes to this matter. The internet is abuzz and that ammo will be hard to find and the prices will skyrocket because of it. Kind of like .22 rimfire.......... Bingo!
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 9:14:03 GMT -5
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/9/atf-apologizes-error-ammo-ban-regulations/The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is apologizing for a “publishing error” in its regulations that suggested the agency had already banned AR-15 “green tip” ammo well before officials publicly announced a proposal to outlaw the armor-piercing bullets last month. “ATF has not rescinded any armor piercing ammunition exemption, and the fact they are not listed in the 2014 online edition of the regulations was an error which has no legal impact,” the agency said in a statement. “ATF apologizes for any confusion caused by this publishing error.” In January, the ATF published an online regulations guide that doesn’t contain a listing of the ammo exempted from a ban on armor piercing ammunition. By omitting the .223-caliber M855 ammo from the list, the agency led some to believe the government had already effectively banned it before the ATF’s announcement on Feb. 13 that it was seeking public comment on a proposal to do just that. The regulations come out about every 10 years and must be reviewed by the White House Office of Management and Budget. The discrepancy was first reported by Townhall.com. The regulatory guide line book comes out ever ten years. It helps to keep up with any new regulations from the past ten years prior to it's publication. But new regulations can be put into effect after the ATF proposes them and reviews and finally approves them. New Federal Regulations are published daily in what's called the Federal Register. At least that's how the USEPA does their federal rules. And I guess OMB has to review and approve all those rules and new regulations. Just trying to clarify what was said and get this straight in my own mind and in others.
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Post by drs on Mar 25, 2015 9:22:05 GMT -5
I heard that surplus military empty rifle & pistol cartridges are being ground-up and the brass is sold to Red China. Under Obama's orders, and kept out of the hands of citizens and those business that sell once fired re-manufactured ammunition, making .223 ammo and other types in short supply. Please cite your sources. When you say "I heard" that really doesn't tell me who said that. I'd like to know the reliability of your source of information.
I have a box of the 5.56 Ball 855M ammo and am curious to know if it's legal to possess it and shoot it.
I heard this on a talk radio show, about brass being sold to Red China. Not sure you could Google it, but worth a try.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 9:27:45 GMT -5
Interesting timing. First they try to ban the M885 ammo and get heavy resistance and find out that they made a big mistake. Then suddenly the ATF director resigns.
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Post by drs on Mar 25, 2015 9:30:33 GMT -5
I must agree with your post, moose1am. When I lived in Evansville, I could find all kinds of ammunition & reloading supplies, from one of the many stores there, and even .22 LR of all type brands. This was a fact, having living there for some 35 years, never had to order anything, as it was always at one of the stores especially RAJO's or Red Ghost Gun Shop. Before my Brother and I moved here in Central Kentucky; back in July of 2008; I purchased, from the Westside Rural King, 10 boxes of 100 .22 LR CCI Mini-Mag Hollow Point ammo paying $3.75/box. Down here I purchased two "bricks" of Winchester Super-X .22 LR HP ammo. Additionally, when I bought a Marlin Model 60 from our local Walmart, I received a FREE box of 550 .22 LR Federal brand ammunition, which was in the Spring of 2009. TODAY that same Walmart hasn't had ONE box of .22 LR shells going on four years now. Don't know the reason behind this, but you give a valid reason, they must sell them very early in the morning or hold them for their "Friends". Our Walmart stays open 24/7.Man your post brings back good memories of Rajo's and Rural King and even the old K-Mart. They all had plenty of 22 LR and other 22 ammo in stock for low prices back in those days.I was in the Hospital recovering from open heart surgery and a mrsa bacterial infection in the early spring of 2009. I was looking out the window at the hospital downtown in Evansville and wishing I could be outside fishing instead of lying in a hospital bed. I was in there for 37 days total. I was there for a week after having a heart attack and waiting to have my open heart operation. Then I was there for the rest of the time trying to recover from the operation. I got a bug of some kind and had to undergo long term antibiotic treatments. They even had to give me blood at one point in time. They with drew 1.5 liters of bloody liquid from my left lung the day before I was finally discharged. I was having trouble breathing when I laid down. I actually was suffocating from the fluids in my lungs. I felt a lot better after they removed all that fluid from my left lung with a long needle. They stick the needle into your back and deep into your chest and into the lung and with draw the fluid with a big syringe. The actually procedure didn't hurt but the next day I could hardly breath without extreme pain as they also removed the fluid from the plural spaces which reduces friction when your lungs expand and contract. It took a day for those lubricating fluids to get back into the plural spaces between the lung and the chest wall. 2009 was the year that I almost died. I'm 6 years post op now and doing better. I started wanting to get out and hunt in order to get more exercise. Glad your doing well after 6-years. Not fun at all being in a Hospital bed for days & days; or even being IN a Hospital. One Main reason I never wanted to go into Medical field, like my Father did. No fun being around a building complex full of sick patients, or seeing patients in an office setting.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2015 9:37:24 GMT -5
Please cite your sources. When you say "I heard" that really doesn't tell me who said that. I'd like to know the reliability of your source of information.
I have a box of the 5.56 Ball 855M ammo and am curious to know if it's legal to possess it and shoot it.
I heard this on a talk radio show, about brass being sold to Red China. Not sure you could Google it, but worth a try. Are you aware of what is called "Rare Earth minerals"? They are used in a lot of our military stuff and cell phones, computers and lasers to name a few things. We use to mine them out in California and they used lots of toxic chemicals to separate the minerals out of the dirt during the processing. These rare earth minerals make magnets more powerful and thus they can be made much smaller than in the past. The speaker in your smart phone has rare earth minerals in the speaker's tiny magnets. The F35 uses 20 lbs of one of the rare earth minerals. If you saw 60 minutes last Sunday on CBS you may already know what I'm talking about. But if you missed that TV show last week I'll try to summarize what they said. Evidently the EPA in California got involved and the company that was mining the rare earth minerals shut down. Now China is mining these minerals and selling them to the world. China has a virtual monopoly on these rare earth minerals today. We can't live our lives without them so we are now very dependent on China for our supply of these minerals. Last year when China and Japan got into a dispute over some islands in the South China Sea the Chinese got and stop selling these rare earth minerals to Japan. So I guess China has us over a barrel with these rare earth minerals. I wish that we could mine them without destroying the environment. The area where china is mining and processing the rare earth minerals is so contaminated that the Chinese had to move people out of the area and relocate them. China's love cannal only on a much larger scale. More like Russia's Chernobyl.
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