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Post by tynimiller on Jun 2, 2015 15:27:30 GMT -5
All in what choice someone currently has though...compared to your 870 all is true...my T/C Impact ML however would have the opposite to say on all 4 counts. I will agree that M/L's are a viable alternative, BUT only if you want something that basically only gives you a one shot chance and is a pain to unload without firing it. I am personally speaking a HUGE fan of one shot most likely is all you will have. Comes partly from being primarily a bow hunter but I just personally like the challenge of knowing I have one shot.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 2, 2015 15:29:44 GMT -5
I will agree that M/L's are a viable alternative, BUT only if you want something that basically only gives you a one shot chance and is a pain to unload without firing it. I am personally speaking a HUGE fan of one shot most likely is all you will have. Comes partly from being primarily a bow hunter but I just personally like the challenge of knowing I have one shot. Mr. Miller, I think you just like a challenge ...period.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 2, 2015 16:27:19 GMT -5
I was always taught one shot is all you need.
I'm such a believer in that idea that I would fully support switching modern gun and muzzle loader seasons. Then those counties participating in the antlerless only season could just continue hunting and antlered deer just come off the legal list.
Heck, the worsening weather should decrease participation enough to legalize common center fire rifles. :-)
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 3, 2015 8:01:13 GMT -5
I was always taught one shot is all you need. I'm such a believer in that idea that I would fully support switching modern gun and muzzle loader seasons. Then those counties participating in the antlerless only season could just continue hunting and antlered deer just come off the legal list. Heck, the worsening weather should decrease participation enough to legalize common center fire rifles. :-) This would never pass or be approved...but am I the only one that actually almost thinks it makes sense? However, I think my liking it is driven more by my personal enjoyment of using a ML even in regular firearm season though. Would never happen, but I'm liking the thought.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 3, 2015 8:33:18 GMT -5
I was always taught one shot is all you need. I'm such a believer in that idea that I would fully support switching modern gun and muzzle loader seasons. Then those counties participating in the antlerless only season could just continue hunting and antlered deer just come off the legal list. Heck, the worsening weather should decrease participation enough to legalize common center fire rifles. :-) This would never pass or be approved...but am I the only one that actually almost thinks it makes sense? However, I think my liking it is driven more by my personal enjoyment of using a ML even in regular firearm season though. Would never happen, but I'm liking the thought. Novel idea.. Maybe rotate all seasons? The prime jewel is and always will be the peak of the rut time.. That is one reason that some bowhunters want guns pushed further back and did not want crossbows in the archery season. To some it is all about bone..
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 3, 2015 8:48:04 GMT -5
This would never pass or be approved...but am I the only one that actually almost thinks it makes sense? However, I think my liking it is driven more by my personal enjoyment of using a ML even in regular firearm season though. Would never happen, but I'm liking the thought. Novel idea.. Maybe rotate all seasons? The prime jewel is and always will be the peak of the rut time.. That is one reason that some bowhunters want guns pushed further back and did not want crossbows in the archery season. To some it is all about bone.. Yup. I've kinda always been a fan of having a 5-9 day span in the first week or two of November where no hunting is allowed...talk about survival of mature bucks going up. Can you imagine the uproar for that Woody
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 3, 2015 10:07:43 GMT -5
Novel idea.. Maybe rotate all seasons? The prime jewel is and always will be the peak of the rut time.. That is one reason that some bowhunters want guns pushed further back and did not want crossbows in the archery season. To some it is all about bone.. Yup. I've kinda always been a fan of having a 5-9 day span in the first week or two of November where no hunting is allowed...talk about survival of mature bucks going up. Can you imagine the uproar for that Woody That would be louder than what "Proposition #1" was!! It would whiz everyone off except the poachers...
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 3, 2015 11:48:28 GMT -5
This would never pass or be approved...but am I the only one that actually almost thinks it makes sense? However, I think my liking it is driven more by my personal enjoyment of using a ML even in regular firearm season though. Would never happen, but I'm liking the thought. Novel idea.. Maybe rotate all seasons? The prime jewel is and always will be the peak of the rut time.. That is one reason that some bowhunters want guns pushed further back and did not want crossbows in the archery season. To some it is all about bone.. Ohhh........constantly swap around the firearms, archery and ML seasons from year to year - that would be very interesting!!! biggrin2
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 4, 2015 13:56:06 GMT -5
I will agree that M/L's are a viable alternative, BUT only if you want something that basically only gives you a one shot chance and is a pain to unload without firing it. I am personally speaking a HUGE fan of one shot most likely is all you will have. Comes partly from being primarily a bow hunter but I just personally like the challenge of knowing I have one shot. Nothing wrong with wanting a challenge. The two bucks I shot over the past 2 seasons were both one-shot-drops for me. So a 1-shot M/L would have worked fine in both those types of situations. But I'm not a rack hunter and I don't go hunting to put antlers on the wall and then call it quits for the season - I hunt to fill my freezer. I don't own a lifetime license, so I buy the license bundle which gives me a chance at 3 deer total for the entire deer season (unless I want to buy more doe tags). 3 deer would put food on my table for almost a year, so I wouldn't really need any more than that. If I could fill my freezer in one outing, that would save me time and money in gas for the year (although I will admit I do enjoy sitting in the woods and that, in-itself, can be rewarding). That having been said, I've been in situations where more than one deer could have been taken from the same field at the same time. I've hunted with friends and family who took one shot at one deer, dropped it, and still had another deer they could shoot at and hit because it didn't run completely off of the field after the first deer was hit and dropped. You do get lucky sometimes, I've seen some pretty strange stuff since I started deer hunting about a decade ago. I think a lot of resistance to legalizing HPRs comes from the same mindset some people have against the general public being "permitted" to own AR-15's with 30 round mags. To those people I ask: what right do you have telling someone else what they do or don't need? It would be along the same lines of telling people they don't need a sportscar with a 500hp engine because there isn't a public road anywhere in this state you can fully utilize that power on. Or it would be the same as telling someone they don't need a 4,000 sq ft house for two people to live in. Get the idea of where I'm going with this? As long as one abides by the law and is safe with the weapon they are using, what does it matter what weapon they use (what size bullet it fires, how fast the velocity on that bullet is, and how many rounds the gun can hold) as long as it can adequately do the job? Don't forget, an idiot in Ohio shooting his M/L in the air (to unload it) before cleaning it killed an Amish girl riding in a buggy from over a mile away. Stupid people are dangerous no matter what you put in their hands. Why should the law abiding, safe, and responsible majority be penalized because of an idiot few?
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 5, 2015 10:13:54 GMT -5
Sub I get it and everything you stated is why I was shocked they didn't pass the HPRs...I'm just speaking me personally when I am sharing my single shot thoughts. Shoot I've already shot two does one day with my bow within minutes of each other As for the round count thing I do feel there is a point where it becomes overkill for hunting...waterfowl guys have been plugging their shotguns for years and it is a non-issue. Should we limit HPRs to single shots if passed, I concede not. However, I do feel a logical approach to a round count limit would be a good step in getting it to pass, eliminate fellas hitting the woods with 30 round mags or even 15. Average lever holds what? 7 or so? Do a round limit of 10 then, basically makes every platform good to go, but eliminates the scary looking AR-long mags which hold 30 Like I've said though I personally am not a proponent of inclusion of HPRs, but if I were for it that is what I would press they do, because I think that has a much better chance of passing and then every platform I feel I need to or want to use could be utilized. Just for note in a similar fashion is the concept that I personally don't need the state to regulate how many deer I harvest a year...I keep a grip on the localized herd and only harvest accordingly...however I concede the need for seasons and regulations, despite the fact I don't need them. I know that is extreme comparison but similar concept to the HPR issue.
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 5, 2015 14:48:44 GMT -5
As for the round count thing I do feel there is a point where it becomes overkill for hunting...waterfowl guys have been plugging their shotguns for years and it is a non-issue. Should we limit HPRs to single shots if passed, I concede not. However, I do feel a logical approach to a round count limit would be a good step in getting it to pass, eliminate fellas hitting the woods with 30 round mags or even 15. Average lever holds what? 7 or so? Do a round limit of 10 then, basically makes every platform good to go, but eliminates the scary looking AR-long mags which hold 30 I agree there's no need to have a full 30 round mag in a gun to hunt deer. If Indiana legalized .308 rifles and I built an AR-10 rifle that is legal for deer hunting, I wouldn't carry 30 rounds of .308 ammo into the woods with me because there is simply no need to (and no need to hump all that weight). But the problem with regulating it down to a certain limit is where do you set that limit and what basis do you use for that limit??? And if you are going to get into the game of setting limits on how many rounds a gun can hold in a mag for hunting deer, then why can't the same kind of argument be used to put limits on bow hunters for how many arrows they carry in their quivers? I know it sounds absurd, but at what point do you draw the line and say enough is enough with all these unneeded regulations on the tools we use for hunting? Just for note in a similar fashion is the concept that I personally don't need the state to regulate how many deer I harvest a year...I keep a grip on the localized herd and only harvest accordingly...however I concede the need for seasons and regulations, despite the fact I don't need them. I know that is extreme comparison but similar concept to the HPR issue. My opinion on this differs from yours. I do think the state has an obligation to regulate how many deer one can harvest per year. If the ultimate goal is conservation and to maintain a healthy deer population in the state, then there has to be a mechanism that can accomplish this. I don't want to leave that up to the individual citizen to self-regulate because of two reasons: 1) Most hunters are not biologists, and most lack sufficient knowledge to know what is the correct number of deer for them to harvest annually in order to maintain a healthy deer herd on a given amount of property. Opinions are like butt holes and everybody has one; and some hunters I have encountered in my travels seem to have multiple - most of which are incorrect and based on personal biases, I might add... 2) I've seen enough episodes of Wild Justice to know there are some people who call themselves hunters who cannot be trusted to do the right thing. There are evil people in the world and these people like to kill living things just for the sake of killing. Making it legal for them to kill as many deer as they want without state laws and regulations limiting that would be bad news no matter which way you slice it. Now I'm also a realist so I know there are people who do this anyway despite the current laws and regulations. But you have to give law enforcement tools so they can have a snowball's chance of ever being able to arrest these poachers and get them out of circulation. I am probably one of the few people who likes to see the DNR on the lake and in the field, and I have no problem whatsoever with them stopping and checking me if they feel the need. I just wish there were more of them...
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 8, 2015 6:59:11 GMT -5
1) Most hunters are not biologists, and most lack sufficient knowledge to know what is the correct number of deer for them to harvest annually in order to maintain a healthy deer herd on a given amount of property. Opinions are like butt holes and everybody has one; and some hunters I have encountered in my travels seem to have multiple - most of which are incorrect and based on personal biases, I might add... 2) I've seen enough episodes of Wild Justice to know there are some people who call themselves hunters who cannot be trusted to do the right thing. There are evil people in the world and these people like to kill living things just for the sake of killing. Making it legal for them to kill as many deer as they want without state laws and regulations limiting that would be bad news no matter which way you slice it. Now I'm also a realist so I know there are people who do this anyway despite the current laws and regulations. But you have to give law enforcement tools so they can have a snowball's chance of ever being able to arrest these poachers and get them out of circulation. I am probably one of the few people who likes to see the DNR on the lake and in the field, and I have no problem whatsoever with them stopping and checking me if they feel the need. I just wish there were more of them... Sub believe me I seriously was simply trying to draw a comparison between how those for HPRs are telling those that don't feel the same "who are you to tell someone what they need to use" or something similar. Well I don't need to be told how many deer I should harvest...shares the same stance logic wise is the only reason I brought that idea up. I personally am for regulations on harvest number, I personally am for a higher DNR involvement in the woods and waters as I feel they are the only thing keeping both from turning into a illegal-poach-fest.
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 8, 2015 20:14:45 GMT -5
Sub believe me I seriously was simply trying to draw a comparison between how those for HPRs are telling those that don't feel the same "who are you to tell someone what they need to use" or something similar. Well I don't need to be told how many deer I should harvest...shares the same stance logic wise is the only reason I brought that idea up. I personally am for regulations on harvest number, I personally am for a higher DNR involvement in the woods and waters as I feel they are the only thing keeping both from turning into a illegal-poach-fest. Forgive me if my post made it sound like I was taking offense to your comments - I was not, and that was not my intention. Sounds like we pretty much agree on this issue.
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