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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 25, 2015 18:01:02 GMT -5
Pandering to what "needs" to be said to save likes and follows and more white shame. I'm confused, but I don't get enough O2 to my brain.
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 18:05:15 GMT -5
What the slimeball did was apprehensible. Answer me this. Why not outcry on black on black, brown on brown, or white on white. Murder is a hate crime. Why aren't we complaining about black panthers calling for waging war? Why is it such a shame to be white in America?
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 18:10:52 GMT -5
Pandering to what "needs" to be said to save likes and follows and more white shame. I'm confused, but I don't get enough O2 to my brain. I see this as him having to say this to save his viewers and followers. Why did Walmart decide to stop selling the flag? Because it NOW is a symbol of hate? Hasn't it all along been a symbol of hate. No they stopped selling to keep the almighty dollar rolling in. Same with apple. Before the killings it didn't stand for hate but now it does? 9 people killed and that was the straw that broke the camels back. How many died during Jim Crowe, civil rights movement, and slavery? But 9 people was the breaking point. Really??? Does anyone really believe these companies all of a sudden had a change of heart because of someone's feelings.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 25, 2015 18:14:57 GMT -5
Walmart, eBay, Amazon are stil selling Che and Hitler stuff..
Hmmmm?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 25, 2015 18:29:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 18:32:07 GMT -5
I was just at the Indiana Historical Society today and visited an exhibit about a a cardiologist working in a hospital in Indy in 1939. He was there to treat black patients (in the basement). He did so only as a volunteer because in 1939, the hospitals in Indy would not hire doctors with dark skin. He finally was permitted to be hired in 1942. People 73 years old or older were born in those times.
The last mass public lynching in the US happened in Marion, Indiana, on the courthouse lawn as hundreds gathered to watch two black boys hanged. People 85 or older were around for that.
Jim Crow segregation laws were still around in the 1950s. People in their 50s and 60s can still remember that.
Just 4 years before I was born, a military escort was required to safely allow black students to attend a desegregated school in Alabama as angry mobs screamed the n-word at the children.
This idea that people need to "get over" slavery is a bit short-sighted. Racism and hatred INCREASED as a direct result of slavery ending and that lasted over 100 years after the death of slavery. In the last 45 years, the institutionalized racism has not been legal, but moved subtly under ground.
Things have gotten quite a bit better in my lifetime, but wounds are still fresh. I never think about being white because I live in a society where I am in the majority. When I am in a room full of black people, I instantly become acutely aware of my "whiteness". That feeling is rare for me. For minorities, it is a daily thing. I feel blessed to be white. I would not want to deal with life otherwise.
Things have gotten better, but there are a lot of racial scars and mistrust lying just beneath the surface. Things like the Confederate flag flying in public squares don't do anything to help the healing to continue. Nuts like this Dylan Roof are scared to death that the "good old days" are slipping away from them...don't kid yourself, there are plenty more where he came from. Probably don't need to look too far to find one either. Certainly, they are not limited to the South.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 25, 2015 18:48:01 GMT -5
What would the discussion be about if he had shot up his original target of the University of Charleston? Would it still be a hate crime about racism?
Yes, racism is alive today. Yes, hatred is alive today. Yes, it is just as alive in one color of people as the other. No, giving up every little thing that could be seen as offensive will not do anything to correct the problem.
Honestly, if anybody believes that "slavery" doesn't exist in this country, you only need to go to a rural Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Tennessee, or West Virginia Wal-Mart right about the first of the month.
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 18:48:26 GMT -5
Good ol days are slipping by or are sick and tired of what's going on in the present day. The "man" isn't keeping anyone down, their own people are. How many Chinese were enslaved during the rush westward. How many died? Do they dwell on it. Maybe the American flag should come down because is stands for westward expansion and the enslavement of them. Why isn't this pushed in schools as much as black in the south. Yeah. Sorry. Get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 19:00:32 GMT -5
It is pushed in school. What was done to Native Americans and Mexicans in the name of Manifest Destiny was EVERY BIT as despicable as what was done to blacks.
Do I wish everyone could put the past behind us and "get over it"? Yes! It would be great if it was that easy.
The problem is, they were never "good ol days" for some...
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 25, 2015 20:07:27 GMT -5
It is pushed in school. What was done to Native Americans and Mexicans in the name of Manifest Destiny was EVERY BIT as despicable as what was done to blacks. Do I wish everyone could put the past behind us and "get over it"? Yes! It would be great if it was that easy. The problem is, they were never "good ol days" for some... I think what we did to the Native Americans and Mexicans was worse. The current American flag should be offensive to them, yet no offense outspoken. Will more time help with the Confederate flag??? I don't think so and there's a reason, but I'm incapable of articulating about it, but I think you can do it. Even more so than the racists who did feel there were "good ol' days", a sense of being fed up with the hyper sensitive nature of some about race is strong. I know that I am naive, and grew up a little sheltered about racism even though I was an inner city kid going to school with half black enrollment. I didn't know many people were still racist, until the shooting in the Galyan's years ago. I was in Metamora, and mentioned to a small store owner about the incident. The first words out of his mouth were, "Was he a "N word"? We're better off if he was." I was shocked; I bet I hadn't heard that word in a decade at that time. I was clueless that people still felt this way. I'm personally getting fed up, but I don't think I'm alone. Time should help, but race relations are openly worse. I think our President wants it this way.
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 20:14:18 GMT -5
I'll agree its taught but sure isn't crammed down our kids throats. Sure it was bad for Mexican, Chinese, and Indians. Don't see them crying about it and blaming their lifestyle on it. Seems they got over it pretty well. All Indians want is to practice their customs unhindered and every once in awhile some land. Chinese and Mexicans you won't hear a word from. So why did they get over it? Why aren't they crying for the American flag to be taken down? Racism and slavery are a crutch and an excuse. It goes along with complaining about white privilege. I'm still looking for the line to stand in for mine.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 25, 2015 20:18:16 GMT -5
I'll agree its taught but sure isn't crammed down our kids throats. Sure it was bad for Mexican, Chinese, and Indians. Don't see them crying about it and blaming their lifestyle on it. Seems they got over it pretty well. All Indiana want is to practice their customs unhindered and every once in awhile some land. Chinese and Mexicans you won't hear a word from. So why did they get over it? Why aren't they crying for the American flag to be taken down? Racism and slavery are a crutch and an excuse. It goes along with complaining about white privilege. I'm still looking for the line to stand in for mine. Personally, I think the privilege is with the minority now. We had a black Engineer at work who didn't pay a dime for his education, and quit that great job to go back for a PhD for free. Well, free to him. Guess how much my daughter will get free? Yep, I don't want to hear anymore; I'm fed up.
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 20:37:04 GMT -5
I'll agree its taught but sure isn't crammed down our kids throats. Sure it was bad for Mexican, Chinese, and Indians. Don't see them crying about it and blaming their lifestyle on it. Seems they got over it pretty well. All Indiana want is to practice their customs unhindered and every once in awhile some land. Chinese and Mexicans you won't hear a word from. So why did they get over it? Why aren't they crying for the American flag to be taken down? Racism and slavery are a crutch and an excuse. It goes along with complaining about white privilege. I'm still looking for the line to stand in for mine. Personally, I think the privilege is with the minority now. We had a black Engineer at work who didn't pay a dime for his education, and quit that great job to go back for a PhD for free. Well, free to him. Guess how much my daughter will get free? Yep, I don't want to hear anymore; I'm fed up. And in today's society, you sir are a racist and part of the problem. According to some because of slavery that happened over three generations ago, they are owed. Most of the people that I know that are die hard racist aren't so because of a color, they are so because of a groups actions. Do I agree with labeling anyone because of race, color, religion, or sexual preference. Absolutely not. Do some of the things that come out of their mouth disgust me? 100%. Are they any different than the groups they hate. No. They are pure white trash. But actions are what perpetrate the vast majority of these thoughts.
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Post by span870 on Jun 25, 2015 20:43:59 GMT -5
Also my pure white trash is acceptable in society by the majority of the people but John, if you would have put 5 more letters on your "n" word story, you sir again are a racist.
I'm done. The flag means what it means. Feds keep your nose out of it. Let the people of the state vote and decide what they want. Slavery is over. Get over it. Perpetrating racism by Farrakhan, sharpton, black panthers, the media, and the federal government is in the long run going to get another flag flown over a succeeded government. It might not happen in my lifetime or yours, but it will. The government has ZERO business deciding states rights. That is what brought the stars and bars in effect to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 20:53:53 GMT -5
I agree that the whole racial sensitivity and white guilt/white privilege thing can be taken way too far. I also agree that there are some race-baiters out there who look for every opportunity to stir things up and that makes it worse.
I just feel that there needs to be some middle ground, some common ground and either extreme taking a hard line makes that common ground really hard to find.
I start by acknowledging that there is a problem. I think we have to start there.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 25, 2015 22:14:38 GMT -5
People seem to want or need simple answers. Here is the simplest answer I can come up with.
1. Blame the criminal for the crime. Not the tool. Not a symbol. Not their upbringing. Not some possible disease. The criminal.
2. Mandatory sentences with mandatory repeat increments.
3. Make jails and prisons suck. There is absolutely no reason why life behind bars is better than life outside for some.
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Post by swilk on Jun 26, 2015 7:00:37 GMT -5
Was listening to "Morning Joe" on my way to work this morning and heard mention of grumblings about not stopping at the flag .... any street, monument, statue etc named after or representing the Civil war need to be removed.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 26, 2015 7:36:21 GMT -5
There no appeasement for these people... They smell blood and want it all. Some even want the Confederate Monument at Stone Mountain Geirgia destroyed.
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Post by hornzilla on Jun 26, 2015 10:02:38 GMT -5
I'm going to try to keep this clean for Woody, So the stars and bars offends someone. So what. How about the nazi swastikas. Not my problem. How about the gay rainbow flag, black panther flag, white Aryan resistance. Get over it. I agree some view each and everyone as racist or offensive. My and your freedom of speech to fly them. What was the civil war fought over. States rights, granted states rights to keep slaves. What is the federal government doing about the flag now. Putting there nose where it don't belong. States don't want it. Let the state vote then. Now where I have to be careful. I personally don't care if I offend anyone but will walk the line out of respect. There are two groups of each race in the U.S. First category will be any derogatory name of any race you can imagine whether color or sexual orientation. Now the second category will be black,white,Mexican,Asian,gay,Italian,Indian, whatever... If you can't differentiate between the two you are part of the problem. If you insist on calling yourself _________ American, you are part of the problem. You are an American. I have absolutely no problem you being black,white,gay,Muslim. Don't ask for special treatment. If you do you are part of the problem. I open the borders on the U.S. willingly to all and I'm willing to make it easier. Just do it legally and follow our laws. The flag is a flag. Yes, granted it's a white flag. So what about the black panther flag? How about if I flew a Isis flag? How about a rainbow flag? How many find those offensive. Yes many people died during slavery. How many years ago. How many died in the concentration camps in ONE day. Get over in. No one living was a slave. All this is doing is driving a wedge farther and farther between Americans and it will not end well. There was one civil war and I guarantee you there will be another. Unfortunately sooner than later. Woody I know I'm toeing the line here. Feel free to delete if you feel nesecarry. I tend to speak my mind probably more than I should and more honestly than is needed.
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 26, 2015 11:04:05 GMT -5
I'm going to try to keep this clean for Woody, So the stars and bars offends someone. So what. How about the nazi swastikas. Not my problem. How about the gay rainbow flag, black panther flag, white Aryan resistance. Get over it. I agree some view each and everyone as racist or offensive. My and your freedom of speech to fly them. What was the civil war fought over. States rights, granted states rights to keep slaves. What is the federal government doing about the flag now. Putting there nose where it don't belong. States don't want it. Let the state vote then. Now where I have to be careful. I personally don't care if I offend anyone but will walk the line out of respect. There are two groups of each race in the U.S. First category will be any derogatory name of any race you can imagine whether color or sexual orientation. Now the second category will be black,white,Mexican,Asian,gay,Italian,Indian, whatever... If you can't differentiate between the two you are part of the problem. If you insist on calling yourself _________ American, you are part of the problem. You are an American. I have absolutely no problem you being black,white,gay,Muslim. Don't ask for special treatment. If you do you are part of the problem. I open the borders on the U.S. willingly to all and I'm willing to make it easier. Just do it legally and follow our laws. The flag is a flag. Yes, granted it's a white flag. So what about the black panther flag? How about if I flew a Isis flag? How about a rainbow flag? How many find those offensive. Yes many people died during slavery. How many years ago. How many died in the concentration camps in ONE day. Get over in. No one living was a slave. All this is doing is driving a wedge farther and farther between Americans and it will not end well. There was one civil war and I guarantee you there will be another. Unfortunately sooner than later. Woody I know I'm toeing the line here. Feel free to delete if you feel nesecarry. I tend to speak my mind probably more than I should and more honestly than is needed. Don't see a problem here.
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