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Post by ms660 on Aug 19, 2015 1:25:02 GMT -5
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I realize that everyone has a budget, but I cannot stress enough the fact that you really do get what you pay for when it comes to air guns. Most people would not pay $150 for a bow and expect much. Air rifles are NO different. I have a few very nice air guns. My .25 PCP will shoot one-inch groups at 100 yards with no problem. I have one spring gun, which is a Beeman R9 in .20 caliber. It will shoot one-hole groups at 30 yards if I do my part. By the way, the Beemans that are sold at Wal-Mart, Bass Pro, etc. are NOT the real thing. They are Chinese made junk. Get a Beeman R series or HW.[/quote]Great advice beermaker. That's for the post.
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Most guys starting out air gunning are not going to lay down 600 to 1000 bucks for an air rifle for plinking and shooting pest. Many of the 150.00$ Chinese clones that are being produce today are actually pretty good guns for the money, especially if you tune them. I have a FWB 124D that is nice, it's so nice I would hate to pack it to the woods. So my cheap recondition 65.00$ Ruger that I torn down and cleaned up the internals and did a little trigger work that shoots almost as good as the Feinwerkbau will be used for the dirty work.
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Post by beermaker on Aug 19, 2015 5:47:53 GMT -5
Yes, I realize that very few people will start out with a high priced air gun and I also realize that a $150 Chinese springer meets the needs of some folks just fine. However, as all of my fellow air gun enthusiasts do, I take every opportunity that I see to educate fellow sportsmen that there is another world out there beyond the stereotypical 1200 fps Gamo from Wal-Mart.
Air guns have replaced golf as my primary hobby and I am money ahead, big time. I send 6-8k pellets downrange per year and most are shot in my back yard or from the garage. I spend countless chilly winter afternoons and evenings sitting in the garage by a buddy heater while shooting 30 yards at a pellet trap made from a five gallon bucket and $6.00 of rubber mulch. The best part is that my neighbors have no idea that I am shooting. Also, there is never a shortage of ammo. One can purchase 500 pellets for $10-$16, depending on caliber and quality. In a pinch, I can pick up a tin of Crossmans at the local hardware store and even the Meijer grocery.
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Post by darinfry on Aug 19, 2015 10:23:00 GMT -5
Well been shooting my new ruger and I'm struggling to stay very consistent even at 25 yards. Part of this could be me since I haven't had much experience shooting an airgun and from what I understand the technique is different from a regular rifle. Also I've read there is a "break in period " of 200 shots or so although I'm not sure why this would be. I've also heard some airguns are finicky about what pellet you shoot (mine are crossman premier hollow pt). Also I'm pretty sure scope that came with gun is junk. Any ideas? Shooting tips? And yes I realize this isn't a top of the line airgun but I should be able to group at 30 yards, which is all I was really wanting
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Post by beermaker on Aug 19, 2015 16:01:25 GMT -5
Well been shooting my new ruger and I'm struggling to stay very consistent even at 25 yards. Part of this could be me since I haven't had much experience shooting an airgun and from what I understand the technique is different from a regular rifle. Also I've read there is a "break in period " of 200 shots or so although I'm not sure why this would be. I've also heard some airguns are finicky about what pellet you shoot (mine are crossman premier hollow pt). Also I'm pretty sure scope that came with gun is junk. Any ideas? Shooting tips? And yes I realize this isn't a top of the line airgun but I should be able to group at 30 yards, which is all I was really wanting Don't throw away the scope, yet. Yes, there is a break-in period and the barrel will be in need of a good cleaning. You are 100% correct about air guns being pellet fussy. Crossmans are good pellets but they are often lose in some guns, which results in spiraling as the pellet leaves the barrel. I had one gun that shot them just as good as any match grade ammo. My current .22 will not shoot them worth a crap! My best advice is to order some JSB's from Pyramid Air. You'll pay a bit for shipping, but the alternative is to have a worthless gun. You are also correct about holding a spring gun. Simply search for "artillery hold" on You Tube and you will get plenty of instruction.
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Aug 19, 2015 16:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by darinfry on Aug 19, 2015 16:06:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the advise beermaker. I can see what you mean about the crossman pellets. When I load them they seem very loose in the breech. Will experiment with some of the higher quality ammo
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 19, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -5
I don't seem to buy much cheap anything; it's a curse. I have the polymer tip ones, red and blue; they fit very tightly. They're all relatively cheap though compared to ammo.
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Post by darinfry on Aug 24, 2015 9:47:10 GMT -5
I have practiced for the past few days and have finally got the hang of this 22 ruger. Having a blast! Making the bottom of a pop can dance at 25-30 yards. The only question I have now is what pellet do you all like for squirrel hunting? I'm using crossman premier hollow pts in 14 grain. Heard these were to light for hunting. Beermaker suggested jsb. What grain? Suggestions?
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Post by beermaker on Aug 26, 2015 4:29:14 GMT -5
I have never owned a .22 pellet gun that did not like the JSB 18g. At the speed your Ruger is shooting, it would be more than adequate for any small game. Also, the heavier pellet will fly with more stability. Welcome the the air gun community. Be warned...it is addictive! Check out the forum below. www.network54.com/Forum/79537/
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Post by tedch on Aug 27, 2015 12:10:25 GMT -5
Since I am new and fully intend to use an air rifle, I have been researching this heavily lately.
Pyramid Arms has some nice videos (as do many others) cover a lot about air rifles. Pyramid Arms has a video series called Air Gun Academy.
From the different articles and videos I've seen over the past few weeks, it appears the best selection is a spring or nitro piston spring if you are hunting. I am looking at both the Crosman Vantage because of the price, but mostly considering the Benjamin Titan GP nitro piston.
As I understand it, the spring and nitro piston are best because they work well in cold weather. If hunting, the nitro piston isn't as sensitive to spring tension wear when cocked for long periods of time, like when hunting. The nitro pistons also require less maintenance.
I'm looking at the .22 cal models mostly as I only intend to hunt small game. I could probably get by with a .177 but rather have the .22.
TedCH
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Post by darinfry on Aug 28, 2015 2:11:37 GMT -5
Out of curiosity beermaker what pcp airgun you shooting? I've looked at these for a "step up" in the future, although I'm not a fan of all the air tanks and pumps to keep filling them
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Post by beermaker on Aug 28, 2015 16:07:16 GMT -5
I have two Kalibrgun Crickets, a .22 and .25. The .22 is my favorite due to the high shot count (70), compact size, and quiet report. The .25 is an absolute hammer and is probably a bit more accurate, but they are both more capable than I am when it comes to accuracy. The .25 is bigger and requires an additional suppressor to tame the sound. I really don't need it for any practical use. The .22 is more than capable of taking game up to coon and possum size. The .25 is used by many for Coyote hunting. I just like to shoot the .25 at long ranges for my own entertainment.
If you want a PCP for hunting and normal pesting, look no further than the Benjamin Marauder .22. It is VERY quiet out of the box and accurate as well. Although a bit bulky, at $450+/-, you will not find a better bargain. A friend of mine uses his to take 100+ squirrels per year in the woods.
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Aug 28, 2015 21:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by darinfry on Aug 28, 2015 21:17:24 GMT -5
Yeah I looked at the maurader. Sweet looking gun but didn't know if I could handle pumping it up with the manual pump lol. The gun isnt overly expensive, but the tanks and fill ups would get costly id think. Looked at the discovery which only has a 2000 psi tank but heard its loud with a sloppy trigger.
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Post by beermaker on Aug 29, 2015 4:01:59 GMT -5
Yes, the Discovery is louder and just not the same gun. It is all relative to price. However, the Discovery is certainly accurate enough for hunting and plinking.
I bought a used scuba tank for $100 and it would cost me $10 to get it filled. If you plan to shoot enough that you are concerned about pumping effort or fill costs, shooting a springer instead is going to wear you out.
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Aug 29, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -5
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Post by darinfry on Aug 29, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -5
Yeah been shooting my ruger and although I like it my arm feels like its gonna fall off lol. Been looking at marauder but cheapest I've seen it for is 550. Cost not as bad as I thought for tanks and fill. Overall cost not too bad considering I'd be shooting a lot. Cost of 22 or other regular ammo outrageous these days
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Post by darinfry on Sept 8, 2015 10:37:15 GMT -5
Took a while to get the ruger broke in but now its driving tacks with open sights at 25 yards. Liking this gun so much thinking I'll forgo the pcp airgun and buy a gas piston rifle. Have my eye on a umarex fuel in 22. Thinking umarex makes really good airguns for the price point. PS made a pellet trap out of a cat litter bucket and rubber mulch, works great
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Post by sakorifle on Sept 30, 2015 8:58:01 GMT -5
greetings Many years ago i bought the lads a weiraugh 57 air rifle and over here it is less than 12ft lb of energy. But the boys killed a lot of rabbits with that rifle it was obviously a good one. So when they wanted something else as kids always do, i bought the rifle from them that i had bought for them, lol And they went on there happy way.I still have and use that rifle for pests that come into the garden heck i even have two limbs on the tree made especially for them to land on.lol Stuart bought a shotgun and Alexander now uses a weiraugh 77, a much heavier made rifle than the little 57. But yes both are in .177 and both are very effective. i like .177 because of the flatter trajectory it has over the .22.
Now is scotland they are going to liscence airguns, even of less than 12ftlb it is a sad day for scotland and we are hoping the english leave the airguns alone but i fear the worst., regards Billy
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