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Post by swilk on Sept 2, 2015 8:23:46 GMT -5
You wouldnt think density would have a lot to do with it .... other than the fact of the more deer the more likely a person is to encounter a case. But its transmitted by a flying insect ... would think that would make it pretty indiscriminatory.
Maybe not ....
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Post by trophyparadise on Sept 2, 2015 8:36:01 GMT -5
You wouldnt think density would have a lot to do with it .... other than the fact of the more deer the more likely a person is to encounter a case. But its transmitted by a flying insect ... would think that would make it pretty indiscriminatory. Maybe not .... It spreads much quicker in high density herds...that's one reason you see it in captive deer more often. About 3 years ago in iowa there was a 5 square mile area that the herd was decimated because of ehd...70-80% total herd loss. This was the area in which Mark Drury, Jeff& David Lindsey, Tom Ware, Jared Lurk, and a few other "celebrity"hunters all have farms. In an interview about it, Mark Drury said the rapid spread was due in part because of the extremely high deer density on their farms. It was very easy for a deer to come in contact with an infected deer. If I remember he found over 70 dead bucks on just his own farm. Personally I think it may be nature's way of maintaining balance. All the supplemental feeding& hundreds of acres of food plots artificially inflated the deer herd above the carrying capacity of the habitat. Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by swilk on Sept 2, 2015 8:44:01 GMT -5
I didnt think EHD was able to be transmitted from one infected deer to a non infected deer? It is only transmitted by Culicoides which I guess is a fancy way of saying midges.
No spreading ... only infecting from the midges.
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Post by trophyparadise on Sept 2, 2015 9:14:57 GMT -5
I didnt think EHD was able to be transmitted from one infected deer to a non infected deer? It is only transmitted by Culicoides which I guess is a fancy way of saying midges. No spreading ... only infecting from the midges. Yes technically that is correct. EHD is transferred via biting midge, but can also be transmitted by gnats or mosquitoes after they feed on an infected animal...in that sense it is contagious..but not through deer to deer contact. I guess what he was trying to say was areas with concentrated herds are more likely to be infected by a biting insect that carries the disease. Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 2, 2015 11:06:32 GMT -5
You all are spot on.. The more deer in a congested area the bigger chance of more beng infected.. Especially if water holes are limited. And more deer will be found.
This IS an every year thing in Indiana. The first my hunting group knew about it was over 25 years ago when we found a bunch if dead deer close to water. John Trout Jr. researched it and we came to the conclusion that what we were seeing was EHD..
2007 in my area in Northen Warrick county was bad. It turned the deer hunting clock back to the 1970s. Deer are very resilient and do bounce back. Trick is to voluntarily lay off shooting does.
IMHO and YMMV...
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 2, 2015 12:11:58 GMT -5
Havn't found any in my area and hope not to. Was discussing issue of EHD as it seems more prevalent the last 15 year's with a couple friend's and it was brought up that hardest hit area's seem to be agrilcultural and wondered if GMO crop's may be partially to blame? Maybe somehow lowering their immune system to the virus by consuming the ROUNDUP sprayed crop's??? IDK not a scientist but EHD seems to hit more and more and with a shrinking deer herd??? Something is going on.
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Post by trophyparadise on Sept 2, 2015 12:27:15 GMT -5
Havn't found any in my area and hope not to. Was discussing issue of EHD as it seems more prevalent the last 15 year's with a couple friend's and it was brought up that hardest hit area's seem to be agrilcultural and wondered if GMO crop's may be partially to blame? Maybe somehow lowering their immune system to the virus by consuming the ROUNDUP sprayed crop's??? IDK not a scientist but EHD seems to hit more and more and with a shrinking deer herd??? Something is going on. My guess would be the agricultural areas also have the highest deer density Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 2, 2015 12:49:57 GMT -5
When mentioning dangers to our hunting population, I would guess that a disease could have a quicker more devastating impact, but all certainly can have an impact.
If it actually is a virus, which I don't know what it is, it would require an anti-virus to combat it, yes? So, only deer who had survived it would be immunized against it. However, it does seem to kill more mature deer, yes? Possibly this virus dies out more quickly, but the older deer just can't fight it off long enough to survive. If so, this problem will work it's self out as the younger deer age they will be immunized. We could probably develop an antivirus that could be placed in mineral blocks, but the cost would be prohibitive.
I sure hate to see it. Possibly in agricultural areas the deer are more densely populated where the insect can just hop from one to another, opposed to finding another one in the woods. It's like in a battle, gorilla warfare is much more difficult to kill masses than in an open battle field facing each other, or bombing a city.
I heard Putnam County was hit pretty hard, but can't explain why. Strange stuff goes on in Putnam Co.
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Post by swilk on Sept 2, 2015 13:02:48 GMT -5
I have not found a single deer dead from what I suspect to be EHD since buying my place in 2009. I also hunted it in 2008.
I hunted a very similar farm in 2007 and did not find any deer that year either.
That is 8 years .... at least of them hit fairly hard by EHD across the state.
Both farms are incredible high in deer density. Both farms have ample river frontage and a constant supply of fresh moving water.
There are many, many, many pieces to this puzzle and I have no idea what they all are.
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Post by trophyparadise on Sept 2, 2015 13:32:31 GMT -5
I have not found a single deer dead from what I suspect to be EHD since buying my place in 2009. I also hunted it in 2008. I hunted a very similar farm in 2007 and did not find any deer that year either. That is 8 years .... at least of them hit fairly hard by EHD across the state. Both farms are incredible high in deer density. Both farms have ample river frontage and a constant supply of fresh moving water. There are many, many, many pieces to this puzzle and I have no idea what they all are. One thing I have notIced and been told by many people who study whitetails is that a deer for some unexplained reason will prefer to drink from a stagnant puddle rather than moving water when given the choice. Those areas are where the biting midges congregate. Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by swilk on Sept 2, 2015 13:33:09 GMT -5
I also have a stagnant water swamp on my place. About 5 acres in size ....
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Post by trophyparadise on Sept 2, 2015 13:47:14 GMT -5
I also have a stagnant water swamp on my place. About 5 acres in size .... Sounds like you have a very healthy deer herd. Ehd is usually very patchy and will have an outbreak that will devastate herds in small isolated areas...As opposed to CWD that can spread like wildfire throughout counties or states. Outside the 5 square mile area in iowa I mentioned there were virtually no other cases in the county that year Trophy Paradise Habitat Consulting "Trophies are built from the ground up" m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=852914431431752
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 2, 2015 20:32:55 GMT -5
It always seems to hit parke and Putnam in dry spells. Only one I found was a yearling in Parke like three years ago. It really is spotty as far as where it hits an area. I think there are a lot of factors and maybe no real concrete rhyme or reason from what I have seen and heard.
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