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Post by trapperdave on Aug 31, 2015 14:33:27 GMT -5
Special interest groups that can't see beyond their own wants and desires
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 31, 2015 15:00:06 GMT -5
If I could use my 300 Blackout, I'm sure I would put two quick ones in it. With my savage 220 bolt action, I'd just like to take one good shot, but I can't say that I've made one good shot yet.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 31, 2015 17:29:56 GMT -5
Humans.
We have spent decades trying to outsmart mother nature. We continue to fail.
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Post by duff on Aug 31, 2015 20:53:37 GMT -5
Urban sprawl, loss of habitat as we build more roads and houses, divide bigger sections into smaller.sections it just gets worse and worse. Not because a deer can't survive there but because the folks living in the old hunting spot doesn't like Idea of folks hunting.
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Post by parrothead on Sept 1, 2015 6:44:10 GMT -5
Jon, that 220 is a shooting machine. I have had mine since they came out;
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Post by featherduster on Sept 1, 2015 7:12:13 GMT -5
Where is the ALL THE ABOVE answer?
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 1, 2015 7:42:20 GMT -5
If I could use my 300 Blackout, I'm sure I would put two quick ones in it. With my savage 220 bolt action, I'd just like to take one good shot, but I can't say that I've made one good shot yet. I don't gun hunt hardly at all anymore...but if I was a firearms guy the 220 would be the quickest purchase I would make. That thing is by far in my opinion the best slug gun on the market. Good scope and that thing with the right slugs can easily drop a deer at 200 yards if the shooter is capable. Awesome awesome gun.
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Post by parrothead on Sept 1, 2015 9:00:44 GMT -5
I have shot them out to 225 yards and dropped them with complete pass through. Just make sure you but your Remington Accutip early or you wont be able to find the shells.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 1, 2015 13:27:21 GMT -5
If I could use my 300 Blackout, I'm sure I would put two quick ones in it. With my savage 220 bolt action, I'd just like to take one good shot, but I can't say that I've made one good shot yet. I don't gun hunt hardly at all anymore...but if I was a firearms guy the 220 would be the quickest purchase I would make. That thing is by far in my opinion the best slug gun on the market. Good scope and that thing with the right slugs can easily drop a deer at 200 yards if the shooter is capable. Awesome awesome gun. Mr. Miller, it is a wonderful gun! It is very accurate, light, little recoil, and yes, will reach out 200yds. I'm a sucker for camo, so mine is camo with a camo scope; it's all I ever need, but... I like thinking that I have one shot, even though it carries a few more.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 1, 2015 13:30:32 GMT -5
I have shot them out to 225 yards and dropped them with complete pass through. Just make sure you but your Remington Accutip early or you wont be able to find the shells. I do like the Remington accutip, and shoot them some, but I also like Hornady.
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Post by Land Between the Lakes on Sept 1, 2015 15:52:33 GMT -5
Loss of habitat is a serious issue that is only going to get much worse in the future. Another big issue in Indiana is lack of public land. This lack of public land causes hunters to not have as many places to hunt, fish, or to spend time in nature. This has a very negative effect on recruiting future hunters.
I believe Indiana has around 1 million acres of public land. There are dozens of other states that have over 2 million acres of public land, some western states have over 15 million acres of public land. Even some northern states like Minnesota, and some southern states like Arkansas have over 4 million acres of public land. Hunters in those states simply have far more places to hunt, fish, and to learn about nature.
Northern Indiana really needs more public land. I believe there is not a single public land north of Interstate 70 over 10,000 acres. So that part of Indiana really needs more public lands.
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Post by clovein123 on Sept 4, 2015 23:31:15 GMT -5
Surprised to see that predation is not higher on the list. I truly don't think that hunters understand how many deer, especially fawns are killed by predators (mainly coyotes) every year. Not to mention the amount of turkeys killed yearly by predation. Here are some numbers that should make one think.
Texas A&M = On 5,000 acres with 1 year of trapping they had 70% more fawns. During the previous years they avg. a 23% survival rate for fawns. University of Georgia = On 1,800 acres with 1 year of trapping they had 149% more fawns. During the previous years they avg. a 17% survival rate for fawns. South Carolina = They radio collared numerous does, 70% were killed by predators. South Carolina = They radio collared numerous bobcats. One bobcat killed 30+ does. University of Oxford = 80% of turkeys were killed by predation, especially during the early stages of life (egg to juvenile).
I know this because I have lived it. I use to think it was cool to hear the coyotes fire up at night fall till I started seeing my local deer herd decrease year after year. I went from seeing 5 to 20 deer per hunt or when driving around to seeing 3 or 4 per hunt. I have learned that trapping (not coyote hunting) is critical to good heard management. There is a reason Outfitters pay professional trappers good money to carry out trapping campaigns. (Something you don't see or they don't discuss because 180" deer sell more product and ad space then a mangey coyote in a trap.)
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 4, 2015 23:59:25 GMT -5
I thought anchor shot was something that came in a little glass. Now that I know what it is, I think I'll try it. I might even take a turn at chasing some of those Wapiti.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 6, 2015 12:13:10 GMT -5
Surprised to see that predation is not higher on the list. I truly don't think that hunters understand how many deer, especially fawns are killed by predators (mainly coyotes) every year. Not to mention the amount of turkeys killed yearly by predation. Here are some numbers that should make one think. Texas A&M = On 5,000 acres with 1 year of trapping they had 70% more fawns. During the previous years they avg. a 23% survival rate for fawns. University of Georgia = On 1,800 acres with 1 year of trapping they had 149% more fawns. During the previous years they avg. a 17% survival rate for fawns. South Carolina = They radio collared numerous does, 70% were killed by predators. South Carolina = They radio collared numerous bobcats. One bobcat killed 30+ does. University of Oxford = 80% of turkeys were killed by predation, especially during the early stages of life (egg to juvenile). I know this because I have lived it. I use to think it was cool to hear the coyotes fire up at night fall till I started seeing my local deer herd decrease year after year. I went from seeing 5 to 20 deer per hunt or when driving around to seeing 3 or 4 per hunt. I have learned that trapping (not coyote hunting) is critical to good heard management. There is a reason Outfitters pay professional trappers good money to carry out trapping campaigns. (Something you don't see or they don't discuss because 180" deer sell more product and ad space then a mangey coyote in a trap.) The State knows this. That is one of the reasons the live market wad shut down right at the beginning of the herd reduction effort.
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Post by throbak on Sept 7, 2015 7:25:50 GMT -5
If coyotes were that big a threat they would close the season on them we are in a Deer reduction The best thing you can do is manage your grasslands where the p4efered food ,rodents are found and provide bedding at the same time
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Post by greghopper on Sept 7, 2015 9:50:32 GMT -5
If coyotes were that big a threat they would close the season on them we are in a Deer reduction The best thing you can do is manage your grasslands where the p4efered food ,rodents are found and provide bedding at the same time Exactly .....To say the DNR stopped the live coyote market to reduce the Deer Herd is a myth at best!! The live market was stopped because most of the illegal activity with coyotes lead back to Indiana the place the coyotes where coming from!!!!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 7, 2015 12:58:37 GMT -5
If coyotes were that big a threat they would close the season on them we are in a Deer reduction The best thing you can do is manage your grasslands where the p4efered food ,rodents are found and provide bedding at the same time Don't you just want to kill the coyotes anyway. LOL I've never shot one and gave my equipment to a fella who hunts them a lot. Well, I wasn't being kind by giving it away, I just didn't get paid. I guess it's better for my peace of mind to give something than to think badly of someone else. Now, I'd kind of like to have a coyote caller, not a pricey one like I had, but something cheap and effective.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 7, 2015 12:59:56 GMT -5
If coyotes were that big a threat they would close the season on them we are in a Deer reduction The best thing you can do is manage your grasslands where the p4efered food ,rodents are found and provide bedding at the same time Exactly .....To say the DNR stopped the live coyote market to reduce the Deer Herd is a myth at best!! The live market was stopped because most of the illegal activity with coyotes lead back to Indiana the place the coyotes where coming from!!!! Greg, I'm lost again. What is a live market? ...live trap?
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Post by firstwd on Sept 7, 2015 15:27:40 GMT -5
If coyotes were that big a threat they would close the season on them we are in a Deer reduction The best thing you can do is manage your grasslands where the p4efered food ,rodents are found and provide bedding at the same time Exactly .....To say the DNR stopped the live coyote market to reduce the Deer Herd is a myth at best!! The live market was stopped because most of the illegal activity with coyotes lead back to Indiana the place the coyotes where coming from!!!! Exactly what illegal activities? I didn't say it was shut down to reduce deer. I said it didn't hurt the DNR'S case of reducing the deer herd by having thousands of coyotes removed from the wild even year.
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 7, 2015 15:50:05 GMT -5
Being insulated from much of the state has its drawbacks....only hunting my little chunk and the world seems pretty good. Good numbers. Good bucks. Healthy deer. Good neighbors. Same here. I put out a single cam and checked it three days later to find quite a few bucks, three of them being nice 10's. I always see lots of does while hunting. No one in my immediate area uses depredation permits because crops are very few and far between -- cattle is king here. I don't even hear of poaching (other than many using high-powered rifles), but I'm sure that is occurs somewhat. I DO hear of coyotes taking deer, with farmer witnessing actual killings. I've never found an EHD ever in 20 years of hunting.
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