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Post by bullseye69 on Sept 28, 2015 19:23:34 GMT -5
IMO because we can! Just something different and fun to shoot. I had a action laying around and wanted to make something out of it, ya know, give it a purpose beside clutter in my parts drawer or a safe queen.
It will go out to Montana this year and hopefully shoot a Muledeer with it.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 29, 2015 13:35:25 GMT -5
One of my rifles is a .35 Remington. All I do is trim to 1.790" and load to normal cartridge overall length and it is deer-legal.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 29, 2015 14:43:34 GMT -5
Or do the same to the 444. Just passing the HRP would have made things so much simpler.
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Post by bullseye69 on Sept 29, 2015 16:52:58 GMT -5
One of my rifles is a .35 Remington. All I do is trim to 1.790" and load to normal cartridge overall length and it is deer-legal. Now I know having the shortened cartridge on you when the dnr checks but what is stopping you from being able to put in the full size cartridge? You know like the plug in a shotgun making it legal to use only three shells. Technically that rifle needs the chamber shortened so the 1.79 will only fit in there. Which would be hard to do because it head-spaces of the shoulder and not the case mouth. JIMO I think shortening the case is not legal because the chamber is not legal. Just my worthless two cents.
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Post by esshup on Sept 29, 2015 17:51:34 GMT -5
One of my rifles is a .35 Remington. All I do is trim to 1.790" and load to normal cartridge overall length and it is deer-legal. Now I know having the shortened cartridge on you when the dnr checks but what is stopping you from being able to put in the full size cartridge? You know like the plug in a shotgun making it legal to use only three shells. Technically that rifle needs the chamber shortened so the 1.79 will only fit in there. Which would be hard to do because it head-spaces of the shoulder and not the case mouth. JIMO I think shortening the case is not legal because the chamber is not legal. Just my worthless two cents. I disagree. The regs say cartridge, not rifle, so having cartridges that measure within the letter of the law in your possession while hunting is all that is required. The reg for the shotgun specifies that it may not hold more than 3. Now, with a bottleneck cartridge, yes, the chamber has to be cut to conform to the cartridge.
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Post by esshup on Sept 29, 2015 17:53:12 GMT -5
Another way to think about it is steel vs. lead shot. Your shotgun is capable of firing both lead and steel shot, but you are legal if you only have steel shot when hunting waterfowl.
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Post by bullseye69 on Sept 29, 2015 17:55:45 GMT -5
Now I know having the shortened cartridge on you when the dnr checks but what is stopping you from being able to put in the full size cartridge? You know like the plug in a shotgun making it legal to use only three shells. Technically that rifle needs the chamber shortened so the 1.79 will only fit in there. Which would be hard to do because it head-spaces of the shoulder and not the case mouth. JIMO I think shortening the case is not legal because the chamber is not legal. Just my worthless two cents. I disagree. The regs say cartridge, not rifle, so having cartridges that measure within the letter of the law in your possession while hunting is all that is required. The reg for the shotgun specifies that it may not hold more than 3. Now, with a bottleneck cartridge, yes, the chamber has to be cut to conform to the cartridge. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 29, 2015 19:07:56 GMT -5
Now I know having the shortened cartridge on you when the dnr checks but what is stopping you from being able to put in the full size cartridge? You know like the plug in a shotgun making it legal to use only three shells. Technically that rifle needs the chamber shortened so the 1.79 will only fit in there. Which would be hard to do because it head-spaces of the shoulder and not the case mouth. JIMO I think shortening the case is not legal because the chamber is not legal. Just my worthless two cents. I disagree. The regs say cartridge, not rifle, so having cartridges that measure within the letter of the law in your possession while hunting is all that is required. The reg for the shotgun specifies that it may not hold more than 3. Now, with a bottleneck cartridge, yes, the chamber has to be cut to conform to the cartridge. The three shell shotgun limit is only for migratory birds..
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Post by btmidwest on Sept 29, 2015 20:41:07 GMT -5
This was a couple years back but the last time I spoke with a DNR officer he stated if there was a question they would check brass length.
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 30, 2015 6:15:08 GMT -5
One of my rifles is a .35 Remington. All I do is trim to 1.790" and load to normal cartridge overall length and it is deer-legal. Now I know having the shortened cartridge on you when the dnr checks but what is stopping you from being able to put in the full size cartridge? You know like the plug in a shotgun making it legal to use only three shells. Technically that rifle needs the chamber shortened so the 1.79 will only fit in there. Which would be hard to do because it head-spaces of the shoulder and not the case mouth. JIMO I think shortening the case is not legal because the chamber is not legal. Just my worthless two cents. Nothing but honesty stops me. Or anyone on just about any of the regs for that matter. I even had a CO say that if I had accidentally picked up some full length ammo, that he would not write a ticket unless I had a dead deer and an empty cartridge that was not trimmed to legal length. As others have stated, the regs define the legal cartridges by dimensions and not the chambering on the rifle.
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Post by drs on Sept 30, 2015 9:29:57 GMT -5
This was a couple years back but the last time I spoke with a DNR officer he stated if there was a question they would check brass length. In my opinion, Indiana's cartridge requirements for Deer Hunting is absolutely stupid. Currently one can shorten a case like a .444 Marlin or .35 Remington to legal lengths (1.8") but still have the SAME powder charge as one that is not shorten. Instead of case length or caliber requirements, Indiana should make a list of cartridges legal without the two requirements. For example: why not allow (for example) the use of a .30-30 Winchester, 7.62 X 39 m/m , .308, .32 Winchester .35 Remington, or a .444 Marlin (?) There are several wildcat cartridge that many member here use, which have identical ballistics, but due to their cartridge length and caliber > .357 they are legal. Not everyone wants or can afford a custom built rifle that can use these wildcats, so since they produce the SAME velocity as many "ILLEGAL" cartridges (like the .35 Remington) so why not go ahead and let the Hunter choose which cartridge fits his/her needs to bag a Deer in Indiana. I recall that one couldn't legally use a shotgun with a rifle barrel on top of it firing a .30-30 or other rifle cartridge. Not sure if this has changed since I moved, but that was the rule when I hunted Deer in Indiana.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2015 11:05:20 GMT -5
I've been saying the same thing for a few years now. IDNR could easily generate a list of cartridges that are acceptable. That may happen, since the proposal to allow most centerfire cartridges did not pass.
I have an old 30/30 that has been in the family more than 50 years and I'd really like to take a deer with it. Actually, my wife is the only family member that I know has killed a deer with it, back in 1991. Then there's my 45/70 that deserves time in the woods.
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Post by drs on Oct 1, 2015 12:53:13 GMT -5
I've been saying the same thing for a few years now. IDNR could easily generate a list of cartridges that are acceptable. That may happen, since the proposal to allow most centerfire cartridges did not pass. I have an old 30/30 that has been in the family more than 50 years and I'd really like to take a deer with it. Actually, my wife is the only family member that I know has killed a deer with it, back in 1991. Then there's my 45/70 that deserves time in the woods. While wildcat cartridges, like the .358 Hoosier, which is an interesting cartridge; is MORE powerful than your .30-30 Win. However since the .30-30 is longer than 1.8" and below legal caliber size, these two factors makes it illegal in Indiana. Same with your .45-70 too & anyone who has a .444 or .450 Marlin. [Make sense??]
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 2, 2015 8:03:08 GMT -5
Make sense? Well yeah, that's why I said it. I fully understand the regulations. I'm just hoping that IDNR will try another tactic to allow certain cartridges such as the 30/30, 35 Rem., 32 Win. Spl., the list goes on.
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Post by drs on Oct 2, 2015 8:17:57 GMT -5
Make sense? Well yeah, that's why I said it. I fully understand the regulations. I'm just hoping that IDNR will try another tactic to allow certain cartridges such as the 30/30, 35 Rem., 32 Win. Spl., the list goes on. Hope you didn't misunderstand my "Make Sense" statement, oldhoyt. I was referring to your IDNR choice of legal vs illegal cartridges allowed for Deer Hunting. Your correct that your IDNR should re-evaluate this minimum/maximum length of cartridge and calibers. As it stands now: it makes little sense excluding cartridges, with the same ballistics, as several wildcat cartridges, which are legal due to length of case or caliber of bullet.
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