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Post by span870 on Sept 30, 2015 15:24:47 GMT -5
You and me are on the same page I think. Same as it will cause cwd. Wait it won't cause it the other 9 months out of the year. I'd be fine if they just say what it is. Same with the whole rifle issue. The dnr's responsibility isn't too manage hunters feel goods, it's too manage wildlife.
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Post by span870 on Sept 30, 2015 15:26:32 GMT -5
Honestly if you think a controlled feeding bait pile is the same as a food plot, you are either purposely choosing to think that way or have never experienced a food plot or put one in. They are not the same after you state the obvious fact they are a food source for the deer. Then tell me how they are different besides 6 months to get the food. Are you not control feeding them by putting food there that wouldn't be there. Again I'm not against either but the obvious is obvious to me.
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Post by span870 on Sept 30, 2015 15:30:57 GMT -5
I get the work involved. I understand that. Say I do all the work involved to get the ground ready for the plot. Till, fertilize, roundup... But instead of planting in spring I just take the tractor and spred the same amount of seed that I would use in the plot and spred in September 29th. Just because it didn't germinate I'm baiting? Per dnr. Bait is considered any product that is transported into a hunting area and placed there for animal consumption. Again what are those food plots for? Pretty up the land?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 15:43:17 GMT -5
What if your food plot is corn and you hunt over your own accidentally spilled corn pile? Boom! Mind blown!
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Post by span870 on Sept 30, 2015 15:51:00 GMT -5
You forgot the quotation marks around accidentally.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 30, 2015 16:02:22 GMT -5
Oh man, a food plot is the cat's meow. Extremely gratifying to put in and know that they'll be fed for a while. It will serve my purpose of drawing them to my little 10ac that they were otherwise not touching this year much at all.
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Post by span870 on Sept 30, 2015 16:34:46 GMT -5
To answer the original question. Yes. I would be willing to bet 70% of hunters today, at least in Indiana, couldn't go into big woods situation and kill deer consistently. How many could go into a woods setting and point out a saddle, funnel, or pinch point or even know what one is. But it's not their fault. How many have access to the amount of property needed to even need to know these terms. I have buddies from up north come down to hunt with me and all want to know where to hunt. They are used to ten acre wood lots you can shoot across. Same with turkey. All of them want to hunt the field. Just the way it is. Doesn't make them less of a hunter just what they have to deal with.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 30, 2015 18:00:36 GMT -5
I'm well familiar with pinch points. I've got one in my shoulder that kills me.
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Post by salt on Sept 30, 2015 18:59:46 GMT -5
What if I call it a feeding pile instead of baiting pile? I'm not baiting the deer. I'm feeding them. It just might happen that I will be there when they come to eat!
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Post by drs on Oct 1, 2015 3:56:02 GMT -5
I've never hunted Deer over a pile of corn, just haven't need to. Baiting Deer is legal here in Ky but I am not a big fan of this type hunting, especially during rifle season. Food plots are okay, if you actually need one or two, just be sure to plant the right type browse that is suitable for your soil type and climate. I have lots & lots of Oaks and favored browse growing naturally on my property.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 1, 2015 7:54:31 GMT -5
I experienced baiting in Kansas last year when I went and hunted with a buddy of mine. He had both food plots and a bait station....from his own lips; "The advantage to the bait station is I can control exactly when and how much feed is available for them. Shoot I can even slap a timer on there and I know and the deer know exactly when they need to hit it to feed/hunt. Food plots though are a whole nother ballgame, no control of feed times, not as predictable entrance and exit (which is huge for a bowhunter...gun hunter not so much)."
I hunted over the bait one night and we had put out fresh bait (corn) two days prior...when I got there I texted him that no corn was on the ground or in the feeder....he said head to the food plot the feeder will not get visited. Was a crazy weird experience for this hoosier boy that has never done bait piles or feeders.
The DNR wants to say it is disease issues why baiting isn't allowed, I don't 100% buy it but I get it more chance of saliva exchange due to a small very compact spot/pile of feed. I think the biggest issue for me personally that separates plots from piles is their uncontrollable. I can attempt to put them in with deer travels and expected movement in mind but I can't shut down the plot or open it up or control feed times like I can with a bait pile....
....if baiting was approved I'm still not sure if I'd ever do it...perhaps if my freezer and family depended on deer meat for food (I mean truly depended) I would bait as it makes picking off young deer a breeze from what my buddy says....
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Back to the original purpose of thread though, while I do food plots and such, the key to any hunter success stretched over years (consistency) is in my opinion their woodsmanship. Yeah a few get lucky and simply have amazing spots to hunt, but most guys that you see put down a P&Y buck every year or every other or so are not hunters that rely on chance...it is their hunting skills that accomplish such harvests.
Blessings fellas, gotta bust butt at work cuz by 2PM this afternoon I'll be hunting.....tree stand therapy is better than any therapy!
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Post by Land Between the Lakes on Oct 4, 2015 13:46:12 GMT -5
Good Comments.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 4, 2015 14:11:55 GMT -5
greetings Baiting over here it is legal and cas be very useful. I do both. I bait ducks to the pond,I DO NOT HUNT THEM, I SIMPLY SHOOT THEM, PERIOD. I hunt ducks on the stubble fields and foreshore. I bait a troublesome fox in, I DONT HUNT THE FOX, I SHOOT THE FOX. I do not bait deer , i hunt deer. One needs to decide what one wants to be, a hunter, or a shooter, there is a subtle difference in my opinion. regards Billy Billy
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Post by budd on Oct 4, 2015 14:13:31 GMT -5
Guess where I lived in Indiana "woodsmanship" was not really needed, when I moved to Northern Minnesota where crop fields are pretty much non existent "where I live anyhow" I was completely lost as to where to start deer hunting, was afraid also to venture far from a road, now I don't think twice about heading cross country for the next road 3 miles or more away, up here there are tote roads, skidder trails, snowmobile trails everywhere and my internal compass is MUCH better. Trapping taught me how to find funnels/pinch points and now I feel comfortable walking into any new spot and feel confident enough that I can find such spots. Do I miss the fields and fence lines? More then you can imagine when it comes to deer hunting...LOL
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Post by firstwd on Oct 4, 2015 16:31:23 GMT -5
Budd, I absolutely have to agree that trapping teaches more a out animal sign and terrain recognition than any other activity.
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Post by chubwub on Oct 4, 2015 19:24:54 GMT -5
I love the mental challenge that comes with trapping. Such a delightful mental chess game. It can humble you real fast as well.
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 4, 2015 19:53:47 GMT -5
greetings Baiting over here it is legal and cas be very useful. I do both. I bait ducks to the pond,I DO NOT HUNT THEM, I SIMPLY SHOOT THEM, PERIOD. I hunt ducks on the stubble fields and foreshore. I bait a troublesome fox in, I DONT HUNT THE FOX, I SHOOT THE FOX. I do not bait deer , i hunt deer. One needs to decide what one wants to be, a hunter, or a shooter, there is a subtle difference in my opinion. regards Billy Billy I really like this statement. It is great how you state that some times you shoot and other times you hunt and that you are in both catagories and know it,and acknowledge that there is a difference to them. You also acknowledge that both have there place. Thank you. I beleve this also just could never get it on paper as elite and direct as you have. Thanks again Onebentarrow
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