|
|
Post by chubwub on Oct 9, 2015 12:04:24 GMT -5
Since the goverment took all your guns away, do people still go crazy and try to kill each other with knives and such? Do you feel like your gun laws have kept people safe, less safe or no difference? Do people still shoot each other with their hunting rifles? Do you feel like there is a power problem with your goverment trying to oppress you? Would love to hear some input from a sensible Brit, we sure do seem to have a lot of the progressive types from your side of the pond that jump into the gun control debate on the news stories and smugly proclaim how taking the guns away solved all their problems! I wish I knew where all these people come from, you hardly ever see them anywhere but on the internet. P.S Apparently there is no need for anyone to own a semi-auto shotgun for hunting? Did you know that? I was completely shocked to learn that I've been doing it wrong this entire time!  |
|
|
|
Post by dbd870 on Oct 9, 2015 13:02:08 GMT -5
You wouldn't be thinking of Piers Morgan by chance???
|
|
|
|
Post by windingwinds on Oct 9, 2015 16:22:40 GMT -5
I would guess the British healthcare system takes care of mental health issues better than America. Here in Indiana in the last ten years the availability of housing for them has dwindled, the state hospital in Logansport has released many people that have no business in public. But Obama never mentions that.
|
|
|
|
Post by sakorifle on Oct 9, 2015 17:12:40 GMT -5
Well chubwub here goes it's gonna be a long answer mind.
Gun laws only work with law abiding citizens, unfortunately criminals don't listen and have kept there guns.
Any gun trouble is usually the gangs who kept there guns.
Yes very occasionally a licenced person goes nuts, but it cannot be legislated against.
I actually don't find the laws a problem, I have a reason to have them.
For shotguns it can be vermin control, game shooting, clay shooting.
Rifles are a little different, one has to have permission to use a rifle on some ground.and a reason for it, check my mate has a Barrett 50cal, only licenced for range work mind but he has one.
Its easy.
22lr. Rabbit's
22 hornet foxes and vermin
308. Deer and vermin
There cannot be refused if I supply a farmer's letter or own the ground.
If someone really wants to do you harm he or she does not need a gun,they will find another way even a pointed stick.
People getting killed over here is mostly stabbings though.
Do I feel safe, yes because I live away in the country and I have three rifles, seven shotguns, and two sixty pound hunting bows(to come and annoy your turkeys when I retire) lol
Don't listen to there bull if you have use for a gun,and not a nutter the law says you can own them
Pistols are banned, that never affected me as I never owned one.
There is checks on you but if one has nothing to hide then it is not a problem.
Oh and one is a three inch browning three shot auto Stuart uses for clays and I use for geese.
Mr Morgan is making a living with his gun control bull.
Don't know if I've covered it all if not ask again lol.
Regards to you and husband
Billy
|
|
|
|
Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Oct 9, 2015 20:19:03 GMT -5
I would guess the British healthcare system takes care of mental health issues better than America. Here in Indiana in the last ten years the availability of housing for them has dwindled, the state hospital in Logansport has released many people that have no business in public. But Obama never mentions that. Have you seen their teeth? Hey, I've been to Kentucky and England.  |
|
|
|
Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Oct 9, 2015 20:26:49 GMT -5
I'd much rather be shot dead than stabbed!
When I was in England, I was speaking with a ...we'd call him African American, not sure how they prefer it over there. This guy said he was a black guy with an accent. I closed me eyes and I couldn't tell the difference.
Anyway, he told me that stabbings were prevalent.
No matter what they regulate with our guns, this old fat handicap guy will be packing. ...beware of the old fat handicap guys; they can't fight, so... they don't.
|
|
|
|
Post by nfalls116 on Oct 10, 2015 4:24:56 GMT -5
I would guess the British healthcare system takes care of mental health issues better than America. Here in Indiana in the last ten years the availability of housing for them has dwindled, the state hospital in Logansport has released many people that have no business in public. But Obama never mentions that. that's no joke! We had a facility in my county that housed some patients well it got shut down and some of them are on the streets of our county now... I used to think when I worked there.... Man it sure is crazy how many patients are in this world undiagnosed and uncontrolled... It's scary! |
|
|
|
Post by chubwub on Oct 10, 2015 8:42:42 GMT -5
Mental health is such a complicated topic too because it's against our Constitution to force treatment on someone who refuses it. Even if they commit you, they can't force you to swallow a pill. I think part of the issue as well is that there are severe consequences for being mentally ill. You lose your rights, your guns are taken away from you and more than likely no one wants to hire you. Why risk treatment when the consequences for doing so can jeopardize your freedom forever?
There's a lot of people who belong in a nut house but we can't go back to what we had before where people were being locked up because their family wanted power of attorney or didn't want to deal with them or were just plain vindictive. There were also several facilities that abused their patients.
No real easy answer. It's easy to say we want to lock someone up against their will because they are mentally ill until it's your turn to be in that position.
|
|
|
|
Post by greyhair on Oct 28, 2015 17:51:31 GMT -5
Hey John - not to sound like Bernie Sanders, but I would think that the British system takes care of a lot of health issues better than we do, especially if you are not rich. I am sure it us some shortcomings too. I wonder what Sako has to say about that, having firsthand knowledge?
I read about a European country the other day that has an interesting system. There are several health care insurance providers, but they have to be non-profits. No outrageous executive salaries and perks, and no need to generate profits for the shareholders. People still have to buy insurance, but it is really cheap. I kind of liked that. Gotta have a little skin in the game, but so cheap that everybody can afford it. Maybe it was Norway or someplace.
|
|
|
|
Post by sakorifle on Oct 29, 2015 3:54:08 GMT -5
Greetings
Over here i think the health care system is brilliant, it is free at point of need.
It is paid for by taxes, which if it wasnt the health service they would get from you some other way in any case.
Now no one here is refused trearment, yes it is open to abuse, and now we see a lot of folks wanting in to the UK because of our system. some foreign men that work here bring there wives here to have there babies because they know they will not be turned away, then once they have them the woman go back home, thats the latest scam.
If it is not a case of life and death then yes one has to wait until there is a place in the queue.
I had a minor stroke i was taken in immedietly put into a ward and fixed i did not have to worry about whether my insurance would pay the costs of all the tests etc.
We also have private health care but that is expensive, although they tell me the care is secoond to none
Its the way to go, but then i know no different i have been brought up with it
Not read about the other insurance providers, but it will eventually come to the uk if it works, that is for
sure.
People moan about our health care i dont, it has always provided for me and my family, my late wife fought cancer for over two years, that would of bankrupt a normal income.
regards
Billy
|
|
|
|
Post by sakorifle on Oct 31, 2015 10:32:09 GMT -5
Greetings
update
on my way to the city in my landrover this morning i heard on the radio that a new bill is to be past which says that foreign people who require emergency treatment are going to have to pay for it.
about time, it was being badly abused, this is going to save us 500 million pounds a year.
yes 500 million pounds its been costing us.
|
|
|
|
Post by chubwub on Oct 31, 2015 10:40:20 GMT -5
500 million pounds....wow.
|
|
|
|
Post by ms660 on Oct 31, 2015 13:18:39 GMT -5
Well chubwub here goes it's gonna be a long answer mind. Gun laws only work with law abiding citizens, unfortunately criminals don't listen and have kept there guns. Any gun trouble is usually the gangs who kept there guns. Yes very occasionally a licenced person goes nuts, but it cannot be legislated against. I actually don't find the laws a problem, I have a reason to have them. For shotguns it can be vermin control, game shooting, clay shooting. Rifles are a little different, one has to have permission to use a rifle on some ground.and a reason for it, check my mate has a Barrett 50cal, only licenced for range work mind but he has one. Its easy. 22lr. Rabbit's 22 hornet foxes and vermin 308. Deer and vermin There cannot be refused if I supply a farmer's letter or own the ground. If someone really wants to do you harm he or she does not need a gun,they will find another way even a pointed stick. People getting killed over here is mostly stabbings though. Do I feel safe, yes because I live away in the country and I have three rifles, seven shotguns, and two sixty pound hunting bows(to come and annoy your turkeys when I retire) lol Don't listen to there bull if you have use for a gun,and not a nutter the law says you can own them Pistols are banned, that never affected me as I never owned one. There is checks on you but if one has nothing to hide then it is not a problem. Oh and one is a three inch browning three shot auto Stuart uses for clays and I use for geese. Mr Morgan is making a living with his gun control bull. Don't know if I've covered it all if not ask again lol. Regards to you and husband Billy What is the reason required to own a firearm in your country? You quoted you have a reason to own firearms and don't have any problems with the laws. Are you allowed to use a firearm for self defense against another person? Another question. When laws were established that prohibited private ownership of guns in your country how was it enforced. Was time given for the people turn in their guns and what became of all weapons turned in? are there any organizations working to get laws changed so every free citizen has the right to bear arms. |
|
|
|
Post by sakorifle on Oct 31, 2015 14:03:58 GMT -5
greetings.
Do best i can to answer this one
Reasons to own a firearm have to be particular to that firearm, for instance its no good asking for a 22 rimfire for deer, because its against the law, right
MY REASONS ARE
22 RIMFIRE RABBITS
22 HORNET FOXES and hares
308 DEER FOXES AND ANY OTHER LEGAL SPECIES
SHOTGUNS CLAY AND SPORTING US
For rifles i have to have the ground to use them on and the police check the letters i supply to prove it.
They also contact your doctor to make sure one is not nuts.
No one can carry anything, a gun or a knife or anything pointed to defend oneself with, if you have a knife it has to be a folding pen knife with a blade under three inches.
You can not even have a broad head in the car if you have, you better have a reason for it being in there.
The only guns people had that were prohibited were pistol, auto rifles and five shot shotguns.
There was a buy it off you scheme for pistols and auto rifles at the start, how well that went i do not know.
The guns were supposed to of been destroyed by the police.
Most people sent there auto shotguns in to have the tubes crimped then sent to the proof house for checking, when it came back one had a stamp on the shell tube and a certificate to say it had been done it was now three shot.
Enforcing it was dead easy the police have your names and all the guns you own on there database, they know exactly what every law abiding person has, rifles and shotguns, if you did not hand them in the armed squad came and took them.
It will never ever become a right to bear arms in the UK it is a privilege and that is the way it will stop.
The UK is a relatively small island, most of the populations are around the towns and cities, they do not shoot, the politicians just like yours will bow to the masses, for a vote, the get rid of gun thing is a big vote winner in the cities.
The shooting origination's are busy trying to save what is left never mind trying for more.
But one has to remember everything i have told you only applies to the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS who were no threat in any case.
But it is not as bad over here as you are led to believe, if one has nothing to hide and of good character then one usually gets more help from the police than hindrance.
But it is a privilege not a right and that will never change.
The bad guys still have there pistols, auto rifles, shotguns and machine guns all hidden away.
Hope this answers your question anything else feel free to ask, if i can answer i will.
regards
Billy
|
|
