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Post by Russ Koon on Feb 29, 2016 12:55:00 GMT -5
hth, upon further research, my crazy idea has regained a glimmer of life. Those filing deadlines are for candidates in the primary elections.
The parties are not government agencies, but private organizations. Their rules vary and change through the years.
The federal election commission rules that I have so far found only state that any candidate must register as such soon after receiving the first (certain amount, don't recall exact figure...maybe $5K) of campaign money, so the commission can track the donations for compliance with campaign rules.
I haven't yet found any restriction on the date by which a "White Knight" might have to enter the race, or any restrictions on who the convention delegates might have to choose from if deadlocked after a few votes.
Admittedly, it would be something of a long shot route, but we are looking for a candidate to replace an African American named Hussein with somewhat shaky credentials to his being a "natural born citizen", so what might have been ruled out as too fantastic for consideration by the last generation, may be more possible today.
And in the course of researching, I've run across a few political articles by professional writers with some experience who seem to have had the same crazy idea, and who have also not found any reason to completely disregard it.
Hmmm... 8^)
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Post by raporter on Feb 29, 2016 22:21:32 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 29, 2016 23:16:04 GMT -5
Well, there are many things that changed for the worse for our Country. One thing this was the very last year for coins containing silver. L.B.J. got us into the Vietnam War, which we lost, and costing us many lives and dollars. Inflation was starting to "heat-up"; then the Democrats got Medicare passed, which affected our medical industry in a negative way. Prices for medical care increased dramatically. I believe that if J.F.K. hadn't been assassinated, our Country would be in better shape. Those who had him killed are the ones running our Government today. Might also add this to my post: Yesterday, I went into town to buy some new shoes. I found a pair I liked [Skechers brand] so I purchased them. I looked at the box they came in and it said ~ MADE IN VIETNAM!! This is another reason our country is tanking as all the goods purchased here are mostly made in another country thanks to N.A.F.T.A. and G.A.T.T. Growing-up back in the 1950's & 1960's , we always laugh at things made in Japan, as mostly it was JUNK!!. Now look at our country ~ we're the laughing stock of the world. Kennedy was not a very good president just a good rhetorician smooth talker Obama in the 60's I will get flamed for that I'm sure but he is only glorified by his sudden death which abruplty ended our chances of seeing him royally mess up, but he did help us get Vietnam and bay of pigs and Cuban missle crisis.. So he's got that going for him.
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Post by bartiks on Mar 9, 2016 5:39:51 GMT -5
It would be so easy to get drug into another debate about which person would be best to lead this nation of ours, however my synopsis is thus:
The electoral college is flawed and besides do you really think that who you vote for is ultimately decided to live in the white house for the next 4 years?
I would like to think that my vote does matter however the movie "Wag the Dog" comes to mind and that is all I'm going to say.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Mar 9, 2016 8:54:49 GMT -5
My question is: Will the registered Republican voters support whoever wins the nomination? Will the possible disdain for the nominee keep them at home in the general election, possibly inadvertently casting a vote for H?
Regardless of the nominee, it's far too important of an election to stay home.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 9, 2016 9:19:25 GMT -5
If Trump is it I will hold my nose and vote against Hillary... If she isn't in jail..
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Mar 9, 2016 9:46:09 GMT -5
If Trump is it I will hold my nose and vote against Hillary... If she isn't in jail.. I'm not sure what the right answer for me is at this point, but I'll know in May. I think one should vote one's conscience. It might be better to get 4 years of gridlock than what we might nominate. However, even more than this is at stake with the SCJ nominations. Even after months of debates, we can only speculate if the devil we know will be better than the one we don't. For me this election is very interesting ...interesting in this unprecedented primary race at this time in history. For Trump or Bernie to have run at any other time, the appeal may not have been the same for some. For Rubio to have waited another term to run??? Lots of situations to ponder. Even if one doesn't believe in prophecy, history should indicate our global significance will end at some future point. Any eye that wants to see can see that we have reached a pivotal point. With external forces (OUS) compounding our own efforts to the demise of America, we could be beyond a point of return. Delaying the inevitable is what I'm thinking about.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 9, 2016 10:06:07 GMT -5
Trump is the election equivalent of Obamacare - "We have to pass it to see what is in it".
IMO - We would be replacing one huge ego with a bigger huge ego...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 11:43:26 GMT -5
Trump is the election equivalent of Obamacare - "We have to pass it to see what is in it". IMO - We would be replacing one huge ego with a bigger huge ego... I bet there are more words in Obamacare than Trumps words that he knows. Which is very few. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 11:54:10 GMT -5
Woody,
I was there Sept. 12, 2009 protesting Obamacare. Congressman Michele Bachmann let our group in the Senate offices to talk to both Dems and Republicans. Only 1 Dem had the nerve to talk and he was against it. I think he was from Alabama. It was a real experience. I write our congressman bi-weekly. Sometimes I think this is why I was sent back, to help save this country.
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Post by Russ Koon on Mar 9, 2016 15:26:32 GMT -5
IMO the problem we're facing is even bigger than Obamacare or Hillary's likely SCJ choices.
Our system of voters selecting the candidates has changed over the years, becoming more "democratic" in an attempt to improve it. However, it has also become more susceptible to a couple of problems in the process and they have not been addressed, and are now making themselves obvious.
The primaries are now more susceptible than ever to the crossover voters who might not be so much honestly intent on voting with a different party in the fall, as with poisoning the opposition's selection process.
That and the increased effectiveness of the "promise them anything, they don't know the difference" campaign strategy of a con man has increased along with the increase in participation of new primary voters.
The result is that the potential for a very bad primary result is now being realized.
I've been arguing with myself over the same decision that many others have. I had said early on that I'd be voting for Gary Johnson again. I'm still leaning that way strongly. The Libertarian party has a platform MUCH more in line with my core beliefs concerning government and I have never felt that I was "wasting" my vote in voting for the candidate/party in the fall that most nearly reflected my views. I still don't.
But the temptation to vote against Hillary is also very strong.
Still hoping that a gridlocked convention will result in a Paul Ryan (or ?) riding in on a white horse to rescue us from the con man and defeat whichever of the two east coast socialists the Dims select. Barring that unlikely occurrence, I'll probably vote for Ted Cruz in the primary and Gary Johnson in the fall.
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Post by swilk on Mar 9, 2016 17:15:35 GMT -5
The system may be broken but fix it instead of bypassing it. If Trump goes to the convention with the most delegates but fails to get the nomination because the GOP doesn't want him they will lose a ton of votes.....
The electorate already thinks the system is rigged....
Trump is pretty brilliant if you ask me. Anyone who thinks he isn't a politician doesn't really understand what it means to be one.
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Post by drs on Mar 10, 2016 5:27:34 GMT -5
The system may be broken but fix it instead of bypassing it. If Trump goes to the convention with the most delegates but fails to get the nomination because the GOP doesn't want him they will lose a ton of votes..... The electorate already thinks the system is rigged....Trump is pretty brilliant if you ask me. Anyone who thinks he isn't a politician doesn't really understand what it means to be one. YOU'RE SO CORRECT, SWILK!! GOOD POST!
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Post by Russ Koon on Mar 13, 2016 11:48:57 GMT -5
It could be argued, though, that preventing the con man pretender to the throne from successfully taking advantage of the flaw in the process that has allowed him to become the leader in delegates IS "fixing" the broken system, and doing so in time to hopefully prevent a disastrous presidency by either Hillary or by the admitted Socialist.
A brokered convention is not one kidnapped by outsiders, it is one decided within the rules, but possibly winding up with a candidate other than the one who was leading in delegate count at the beginning of the convention. It is legal and has happened before, and is a designed safety valve to prevent the actual splitting of the party that would be a likely result of a deadlocked convention with no legitimate way to resolve the differences and force the compromise.
As late as 1952, there were many fewer primary elections and most delegates to the party conventions were chosen by the party officials within each state. There were some pretty good choices made under those circumstances, and without the worries of crossover voters being more saboteurs than potential new members in the fall.
Of course the press and the people making a bundle from the advertising and rallies are all in favor of the chaos that is so helpful in the recovery of economy in their businesses. Turning the serious business of selecting our leaders and our party's future policies and direction into a "reality show" in the process apparently is of little concern to them. It's all about the ratings.
I doubt that a candidate capable of addressing the real problems we face will come from a selection process run like the WWE.
Despite the popularity of calling the country "our Democracy", we were never a true democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We do elect our leaders in the general elections by democratic means, but it's not necessary to use primaries to select them within each party, and it may not be all that advisable in the future, if this example is what we can expect. Electing the new asylum CEO by a popular election of the inmates would be ....well, ....insane. But this primary shows that our system may not be all that different. It is at least VERY vulnerable to mischief of many varieties resulting in seriously flawed outcomes.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 14, 2016 6:53:08 GMT -5
At this point I think we are an oligarchy.
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Post by tenring on Mar 14, 2016 7:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by Russ Koon on Mar 15, 2016 9:41:40 GMT -5
Sure looks that way, 870, but the question remains about the identity of that oligarchy and its membership.
I have come to agree more and more through the years with the warning that Ike gave in his farewell address concerning the military-industrial complex. He sure had the experience and the viewpoint to make the observation better than anyone else, and was probably the most honest politician any of us can recall except maybe Jimmy Carter, whose honesty couldn't make up for his mule-headed naivety.
Seems harder every year to justify our continuing sacrifices of our finest young people in foreign wars that end up accomplishing nothing lasting.
tenring, powerful song. But the accompanying video does illustrate that we have been in the same circumstances before, for at least sixty years, so the urgency may just still be the same as it was when we were doing the useless duck-and-cover drills in grade school.
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Post by chubwub on Mar 16, 2016 10:04:23 GMT -5
I still don't know what to make of Trump. It's honestly hard to get an honest read of the guy because the media loves to attack him relentlessly. It's interesting to me that the Latinos seem to absolutely love they guy, despite people trying to say that he's racist, anti-immigrant, etc.
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