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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 19, 2018 10:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 19, 2018 10:40:41 GMT -5
Probably needs some Wolfs first to make the breeding work.
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Post by featherduster on Jan 19, 2018 10:54:44 GMT -5
Probably the DNR dropping those from those black ops helicopters that my sister-in-law's cousin's boy friend swore he saw flying around last month.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:00:06 GMT -5
Best way for deer reduction!!!
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 19, 2018 11:02:39 GMT -5
Will we only be able to shoot 1 male per year? But unlimited females till the pack numbers are destroyed? Lol Sorry I couldn't resist.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 19, 2018 12:01:45 GMT -5
I'm going with it's not. CoyDog - OK I will grant that's possible, but not a wolf mix - not in IN. The only way I could see it is if it was transported here which I really doubt is the case.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 19, 2018 13:11:23 GMT -5
I watched the whole thing - apparently it does not require a coyote parent and a wolf parent. It has to do with re-emerging genetic traits? Anybody else catch that? I saw the TV special a while back. They talked about a species of wolf from the far northeast.
Speaking of buried genetic traits, when we have a deer brought in to the barn, my wife's Shih-Tzu growls and tries to tear meat off the butt...
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Post by parson on Jan 19, 2018 13:29:11 GMT -5
I know a farmer on the Hancock/Henry county line who is adamant about seeing a wolf on his land. Said that he saw it twice. Seems to be a pretty level headed guy.
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 19, 2018 13:41:40 GMT -5
A lot of what is seen as a coywolf is actually a red wolf.There are 2 red wolf sanctuaries in southeastern Indiana.They have been raising red wolves for 30 plus years now and have been supplying the state with specimens to repopulate their original habitat which includes Indiana.The person that runs both in this area is Paul Strasser. There are other sanctuaries in other states but the ones being reintroduced here are all from Pauls stock. I'll add a link for your viewing.This one is from local news. Wade www.wlwt.com/article/red-wolf-sanctuary-the-refuge-the-mission-and-the-man-behind-it/3565645
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 19, 2018 13:44:35 GMT -5
For a moment, I thought I saw an 80 lb coyote Wednesday, until I saw the other dog it was running with. It was actually some kind of husky mix.
A lot of movies, especially the older ones, have huskys or malamutes play the role of wolves, and most people never even notice. It would be very easy to misidentify one from a distance, in the dark, etc.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 19, 2018 13:49:11 GMT -5
A lot of what is seen as a coywolf is actually a red wolf.There are 2 red wolf sanctuaries in southeastern Indiana.They have been raising red wolves for 30 plus years now and have been supplying the state with specimens to repopulate their original habitat which includes Indiana.The person that runs both in this area is Paul Strasser. There are other sanctuaries in other states but the ones being reintroduced here are all from Pauls stock. I'll add a link for your viewing.This one is from local news. Wade www.wlwt.com/article/red-wolf-sanctuary-the-refuge-the-mission-and-the-man-behind-it/3565645Are you saying that they're currently releasing red wolves in Indiana?
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Post by greyhair on Jan 19, 2018 14:11:30 GMT -5
Now I remember, Red Wolf is what they were talking about on that TV special...
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 19, 2018 15:16:56 GMT -5
I haven't kept up with what Paul is doing since he moved from Farmers Retreat to Rising Sun. I do know for a fact that at that time they were repopulating red wolf in southern Indiana. I also know he was contracted to supply specimens to other states and I believe the facility in North Carolina was established from Pauls stock.
What they are doing at this time, I couldn't say for certain but I would assume this was a long-term stocking program. The problem would be to get an official to admit it.
Paul offers tours he guides then hits you up for donations, which I guess is reasonable. It's a nice thing to take the family.The caveat is that you need to be aware that he is not a father, therefore, I have strong disagreements with the information he passes on to children.He told my three kids it was there right and responsibility to challenge authority! It took 4-5 years to reverse their attitude! Good luck. Wade
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Post by firstwd on Jan 19, 2018 16:13:29 GMT -5
Ok, long term history lesson here. The "coyote" is a western plains animal that is quite small in comparison to domestic dogs. Actually not a lot bigger than a gray fox.
Many many moon ago, that wiley critter found it's way east of the Mississippi River and rapidly expanded all the way to the east coast. In the north east the western coyote ran into a population of red wolf. The red wolf is much smaller than the gray wolf and the timber wolf. This mixture of red wolves and Western coyote resulted in a mixture of the genetics of the red wolf and the western coyote. That mixture started moving back west and in it's own way pushed out or absorbed the population of Western coyote. Realize this happened a very long time ago before and while we humans we're moving west.
We have all known this mixture of Western coyote and red wolf as the Eastern Coyote. The Eastern Coyote has always been a bit bigger in body and weight than the Western Coyote. That is why some you look so much bigger than others. This time of year, when fur is as thick as it's going to get, is when people most often mistake a coyote for a wolf.
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Post by esshup on Jan 19, 2018 17:06:15 GMT -5
If it was a coywolf, I wonder if it was a pet that someone couldn't take care of anymore? There are wolf dog crosses, I don't know how diluted the gene pool could be and still be called a coywolf.
Say a wolf/dog cross was abandoned 3-4 years ago. That hybrid bred with a coyote, then what would the offspring be called?
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 19, 2018 17:18:34 GMT -5
The real problem that can develop from this crossing is that the red wolf and the eastern coyote look so much alike.You have to look pretty hard to tell one from the other.Our coyote is a nuisance.The red wolf is a protected species. The only way I can tell them apart is that the wolf is somewhat larger and appear to have longer legs in portion to the rest of their body.I know people that "think" they have killed a red wolf by mistaking it for a coyote.
Wade
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Post by psearcher on Jan 21, 2018 7:57:57 GMT -5
who knows, handled many 50lb (weighed on scales) coyotes with larger heads smaller ears longer legs. always figured red wolf or dog in the woodpile somewhere along its lineage.
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 21, 2018 8:05:15 GMT -5
Yeah, it doesn't really matter what tag you put on them.Coyote, wolf, coywolf, coydog, They are all smart strong cunning predators that wipe out others species as they find them.I don't condone killing a protected species, but how on earth would I know if I did?They look so much alike, it would be over before I could figure out what it was. Wade
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Post by duff on Jan 21, 2018 10:04:55 GMT -5
I did some looking around on red wolf resocking, recovery, reintroduction and only found 1 place that is or was doing this and that is in North Carolina. Looks to have been suspended in 2016 but not sure on that.
I don't believe IDNR is secrertly stocking red wolves. The last wolf confirmed in Indiana was a gray wolf found dead in east central IN in 2003. Yearling male originated from Wisconsin. I think they would have releases to inform folks on how to know the difference, protect from trapping or shooting one etc. I have been wrong many times so feel free to disagree with me!
Anything is possible but I would bet most large coyotes are just that...large yotes. Maybe some cross contamination time to time but no telling.
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Post by swetz on Jan 21, 2018 11:24:13 GMT -5
The Meet the Coywolf documentary goes into the history pretty well, but this Wikipedia article is a lot shorter and has some of the basic information. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyoteIt's possible, even probable, that they are in Indiana or will be relatively soon given their presence in Ohio. However, I wouldn't put much stock in one eye witness account. It very easily could have just been a regular Western coyote or even someone's dog running loose. I'll wait until trappers or predator hunters report some strangely large coyotes or someone sends some off for DNA testing.
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