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Post by lugnutz on Jan 21, 2006 11:42:06 GMT -5
Thanks hoyt, you did a wonderful job. I just have a few more questions, then you might have changed my mind.
First off, when asked about the canned hunts and the wild deer getting infected, wouldn't the insurance company be the one paying the tab? How would you know if the disease didn't come from outside of the fence, since we both know thats were the disease first was diagnosed?
Second, When i put up a fence around my 300 acres, wouldn't i be trapping in the same deer that would be in the "wild" if i hadn't put up the fence?
Third, Wouldn't we all feel safer if this disease was to "break out" inside an enclosure, than someone killing a deer from a public hunting location, and then finding out that it has CWD? Who would pay that tab, without a doubt we would! CWD can grow rapidly in the wild escpecially the way deer roam around anyhow, if they were in an enclosure, your odds of them breaking out into a wild herd would be less, than another wild herd bring the disease with them when they intertwine.
Fourth, I don't wanna buy deer, i just want to be able to keep other hunters out of my property. How about a five foot fence, would that be ok? Deer can jump it if they'd like, but it would defer hunters from coming in?
Thanks again, Lug
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Post by Yogi on Jan 21, 2006 13:31:18 GMT -5
Hey Spike you stated that there were lots of states that have CWD and no Canned Killing farms. Just what states would those be? You killed me with the" Remember- Over 90% of all CWD infected deer came from the wild and are in the wild."one. Tell me how it jumped from one state across several states that have no CWD and shows up in WV? You are right it is a wild deer problem. NOT, It's an all deer problem, but it is being spread by ther deer pimps transporting them all over creation. Where did it all start? I'll tell ya. BEHIND a FENCE. Now go spread the BS somewhere else. No one here is buying it.
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Post by hoyt1166 on Jan 21, 2006 13:35:06 GMT -5
Thanks hoyt, you did a wonderful job. I just have a few more questions, then you might have changed my mind. First off, when asked about the canned hunts and the wild deer getting infected, wouldn't the insurance company be the one paying the tab? How would you know if the disease didn't come from outside of the fence, since we both know thats were the disease first was diagnosed? Second, When i put up a fence around my 300 acres, wouldn't i be trapping in the same deer that would be in the "wild" if i hadn't put up the fence? Third, Wouldn't we all feel safer if this disease was to "break out" inside an enclosure, than someone killing a deer from a public hunting location, and then finding out that it has CWD? Who would pay that tab, without a doubt we would! CWD can grow rapidly in the wild escpecially the way deer roam around anyhow, if they were in an enclosure, your odds of them breaking out into a wild herd would be less, than another wild herd bring the disease with them when they intertwine. Fourth, I don't wanna buy deer, i just want to be able to keep other hunters out of my property. How about a five foot fence, would that be ok? Deer can jump it if they'd like, but it would defer hunters from coming in? Thanks again, Lug OK, Lug. I'll try my best. As for insurance companies. Think of it this way. Imagine trying to purchase an individual policy for say, $150 million dollars. I think that would be the low-end of the coverage needed. As an individual purchasing this type of policy it would probably be near impossible to purchase because I would think thay also have many other types of policies to purchase. Either way, the cost would be astronomical. They'd never be able to make money, so insurance would be too cost-prohibitive. The knowing where the disease came from is the hard one to prove. However, I think the statistics would bear out that the disease occurs at a much greater rate inside an enclosure than what you'd find in the wild in a normal carrying capacity herd. You know, back when I was growing up in Pennsylvania it used to be no big deal to go spotlighting and see over a thousand deer in a night. There were some times when you'd see 300+ in a very big field at one time. The whole time growing up with what I considered a much bigger deer herd and closer contact between deer than we have today, you never heard of CWD. It wasn't until the introduction of these "game farms" that CWD became a reality. Second, no, unless that fense you put up would be high enough to restrict the deer from leaving. I think what you need to do is post your land and then aggressively pursue trespassing charges when there are trespassers. Word will spread quickly that you will prosecute trespassers. As for QDM on your property, it's hard to do without cooperation from the adjoining landowners due to the size of your property. I understand and share your desire for this but it's hard to do on 300 acres when the normal home range for a deer is 2 miles. Third, I wouldn't feel any better about an enclosed herd having the disease. There is no foolproof way of ensuring that they couldn't escape. There's always that chance and it's not one that I would want to take a risk on. Why even increase the chance of it occurring? CWD would spread much more rapidly within an enclosed herd than it would in the wild. Granted, it would be harder to control in the wild but spreads easier in a captive herd. I'm not sure what the regulations are on heighth of fence, however, remember, if it's harder for the deer to get off of your property it is just as hard for them to get onto your property. I think in your case, aggressive prosecution of trespassers is the key versus fencing. Also, posting something in your local paper that you will aggressively pursue prosecution of trespassers could go a long way in keeping out unwanted trespassers. Even I'm a little radical in that I consider trespassers poachers. If trespassing is illegal and a deer is harvested when a person is knowingly trespassing, then he/she harvested that deer in an illegal fashion. That's poaching as far as I'm concerned and the operative word in my dictionary is knowingly. I know plenty of people who have unknowingly ventured onto land that they didn't have permission to hunt. But for those who knowingly hunt on land that they knowingly don't have permission to hunt, they've made it to my list of poachers. Hopefully, that helps you a little. If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me. I am anything but the expert here and these are just my opinions. Take them for what they're worth.
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Post by raporter1 on Jan 21, 2006 17:40:03 GMT -5
Hoyt this is the only times we hear from the deer pimps. They have nothing to say except the same old same old BS. They even go so far as to accuse us of being in bed with ARFs. They always say how they wouldn't kill an animal that way but see nothing wrong with someone else doing it. If there is nothing wrong with it why wouldn't they do it?
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Post by hoyt1166 on Jan 21, 2006 19:52:57 GMT -5
Hoyt this is the only times we hear from the deer ****s. They have nothing to say except the same old same old BS. They even go so far as to accuse us of being in bed with ARFs. They always say how they wouldn't kill an animal that way but see nothing wrong with someone else doing it. If there is nothing wrong with it why wouldn't they do it? I hear ya raporter. You know for the life of me, I just don't see the challenge in it. Maybe someone else does and to each his own, but please don't tell me it's fair chase. Now, I'd rather be associated with canned hunting than ARF but it's kind of like asking me if I'd rather spend a day with Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton. Neither one of them appeal to me.
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