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Post by esshup on Jan 3, 2022 13:54:49 GMT -5
Got this in an email from the DNR today:
"Dear License Holder,
The Division of Fish & Wildlife is committed to ensuring fishing, hunting, and trapping opportunities for everyone throughout Indiana. This is possible through the participation of hundreds of thousands of Indiana conservationists like you who purchase their hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses. Your impact is magnified, as every $1 we receive from the sale of a license provides $3 in federal funds through the Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration Program. Each license or stamp purchased goes right back into the management of Indiana’s fish, wildlife, and habitat."
I didn't know that the $$ received was 3x the price of the license.
If that is the case, I wonder how much $$ the license sales themselves generate $ wise for the State of Indiana?
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Post by deadeer on Jan 3, 2022 14:11:24 GMT -5
Got this in an email from the DNR today: "Dear License Holder, The Division of Fish & Wildlife is committed to ensuring fishing, hunting, and trapping opportunities for everyone throughout Indiana. This is possible through the participation of hundreds of thousands of Indiana conservationists like you who purchase their hunting, fishing, and trapping licenses. Your impact is magnified, as every $1 we receive from the sale of a license provides $3 in federal funds through the Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration Program. Each license or stamp purchased goes right back into the management of Indiana’s fish, wildlife, and habitat." I didn't know that the $$ received was 3x the price of the license. If that is the case, I wonder how much $$ the license sales themselves generate $ wise for the State of Indiana? I take that as every $1 the state gets, the Feds kick in $3.  Not necessarily 3X the cost of a license. |
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Post by firstwd on Jan 3, 2022 15:19:06 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd have to see the math.
I know on P.R. money, the total collected across the country is divided out to the states based on the percentage of license holders per capita. Each person is counted once, not each license.
This is the reason I wanted public ground access to require a hunting or fishing license, preferably a hunt/fish combo because it generates more money and cheaper for the consumer. Hey, bird watchers "pursue" their chosen target. 😀
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DNR email
Jan 3, 2022 15:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2022 15:34:00 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd have to see the math. I know on P.R. money, the total collected across the country is divided out to the states based on the percentage of license holders per capita. Each person is counted once, not each license. This is the reason I wanted public ground access to require a hunting or fishing license, preferably a hunt/fish combo because it generates more money and cheaper for the consumer. Hey, bird watchers "pursue" their chosen target. 😀 I’m taking this is something different than P-R funds? |
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Jan 3, 2022 15:47:12 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2022 15:47:12 GMT -5
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Jan 3, 2022 16:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2022 16:15:32 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd have to see the math. I know on P.R. money, the total collected across the country is divided out to the states based on the percentage of license holders per capita. Each person is counted once, not each license. This is the reason I wanted public ground access to require a hunting or fishing license, preferably a hunt/fish combo because it generates more money and cheaper for the consumer. Hey, bird watchers "pursue" their chosen target. 😀 Add mushroom and ginseng hunter’s to that list… the list could really go on. Anyone know of any other states that requires a license to “gather/watch” things on public land? |
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Jan 3, 2022 16:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2022 16:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 3, 2022 16:25:26 GMT -5
I do believe that HNF requires a permit to ride bikes on specific trails. I see no reason not to expand on this. Birding, mushrooms, hiking and so on.
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Jan 3, 2022 16:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Jan 3, 2022 16:33:22 GMT -5
Just general math puts that at $2 fed to $1 state, but is close to $3 other to $1 license sales. I still want to see their math. |
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Post by 36fan on Jan 4, 2022 9:13:23 GMT -5
I do believe that HNF requires a permit to ride bikes on specific trails. I see no reason not to expand on this. Birding, mushrooms, hiking and so on. I don't think the biking permit gets any federal matching $. I'm pretty sure that is a wholly state funded program. |
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 4, 2022 18:35:55 GMT -5
Excellent presentation on how DNR is funded. Rumor is DNR is facing another funding decrease from the legislature. |
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Post by firstwd on Jan 4, 2022 19:18:26 GMT -5
Excellent presentation on how DNR is funded. Rumor is DNR is facing another funding decrease from the legislature. Would not surprise me but with the current surplus it's completely unjustifiable. |
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Post by stevein on Jan 5, 2022 10:31:17 GMT -5
Pitman-Roberts fund should be huge with record gun and ammo sales.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Jan 5, 2022 11:16:23 GMT -5
Pitman-Roberts fund should be huge with record gun and ammo sales. I agree and states should be holding or lowering fishing, hunting, and trapping licenses. Glut of money. |
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Jan 5, 2022 11:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 5, 2022 11:52:51 GMT -5
lol….
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Post by esshup on Jan 6, 2022 3:00:46 GMT -5
Pitman-Roberts fund should be huge with record gun and ammo sales. I agree and states should be holding or lowering fishing, hunting, and trapping licenses. Glut of money. No, they should be hiring more DNR officers and biologists. |
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Jan 6, 2022 7:56:31 GMT -5
I agree and states should be holding or lowering fishing, hunting, and trapping licenses. Glut of money. No, they should be hiring more DNR officers and biologists. My son Sam girlfriend will be graduating this spring as a biologist. Maybe she can that new job? I would not be one bit surprised if they aren't engaged by years end. |
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Post by 36fan on Jan 30, 2022 11:00:34 GMT -5
No, they should be hiring more DNR officers and biologists. My son Sam girlfriend will be graduating this spring as a biologist. Maybe she can that new job? I would not be one bit surprised if they aren't engaged by years end. The problem is the state is a revolving door because the pay is crap. I just left IDEM after 15 years, and IDEM pays better than DNR for the same level position. There are currently all kinds of open positions at the state. Last time I checked the job bank, IDEM had 30 positions posted. Normally Section Chiefs have to fight to get permission to fill positions. They are so under staffed it's ridiculous ... but they are only offering ~$38,500/yr for environmental managers. A DNR biologist would hire in probably ~$35,000 |
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Post by treetop on Jan 30, 2022 16:14:36 GMT -5
My son Sam girlfriend will be graduating this spring as a biologist. Maybe she can that new job? I would not be one bit surprised if they aren't engaged by years end. The problem is the state is a revolving door because the pay is crap. I just left IDEM after 15 years, and IDEM pays better than DNR for the same level position. There are currently all kinds of open positions at the state. Last time I checked the job bank, IDEM had 30 positions posted. Normally Section Chiefs have to fight to get permission to fill positions. They are so under staffed it's ridiculous ... but they are only offering ~$38,500/yr for environmental managers. A DNR biologist would hire in probably ~$35,000 Why would you go to work at 35,000 for them if you had student loans you never would make enough to pay them off. IDK not that long ago you could make it at 35,000 not all that great but could be done at what stuff cost today you be dang close to poverty. I went to Kroger yesterday and spent 65 bucks and that’s no meat pop chips or that kind of stuff basically just your weekly stuff milk coffee bread some fruit and veggies, and then I went and put 80 bucks in gas in my truck |
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Post by 36fan on Jan 30, 2022 18:15:09 GMT -5
The problem is the state is a revolving door because the pay is crap. I just left IDEM after 15 years, and IDEM pays better than DNR for the same level position. There are currently all kinds of open positions at the state. Last time I checked the job bank, IDEM had 30 positions posted. Normally Section Chiefs have to fight to get permission to fill positions. They are so under staffed it's ridiculous ... but they are only offering ~$38,500/yr for environmental managers. A DNR biologist would hire in probably ~$35,000 Why would you go to work at 35,000 for them if you had student loans you never would make enough to pay them off. IDK not that long ago you could make it at 35,000 not all that great but could be done at what stuff cost today you be dang close to poverty. I went to Kroger yesterday and spent 65 bucks and that’s no meat pop chips or that kind of stuff basically just your weekly stuff milk coffee bread some fruit and veggies, and then I went and put 80 bucks in gas in my truck If you work for the government and make payments on your loans, the balance will be waived after 10 years. The state also has a pension plan (10 years vesting) , health benefits are cheaper than most places, and it is stable. It's also great training for someone to work for a few years, then go to the private sector and make some $$$. Also, it's great for working families that need flexibility and time off. People take these jobs because they love the work and they believe in what they are doing. There are amazingly smart, dedicated people working for the state because they believe in the cause. However, the longer you are there the more the BS politics wear you down and you lose faith in the cause. Then some of the appointed positions are mind blowing. You basically have to choose time and no money, or money and no time. It's great for dual income families, but not so much single income households. Government has it's benefits, but the salary ain't one of them! |
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Not necessarily 3X the cost of a license.
