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Post by Sasquatch on May 24, 2022 16:18:51 GMT -5
An 18 year old shot up an elementary achool in Texas. 14 dead. Thankfully they shot the guy this time. Now the incessant coverage will ensure more events. There is always a rash of em.
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Post by firstwd on May 24, 2022 18:02:10 GMT -5
First question is how did he get in the building?
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Post by Sasquatch on May 24, 2022 18:06:04 GMT -5
First question is how did he get in the building? I know the ones in Madison are locked up tight. You have to talk through a speaker to pick up your kid and then you are only let in the atrium.
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Post by firstwd on May 24, 2022 20:14:17 GMT -5
First question is how did he get in the building? I know the ones in Madison are locked up tight. You have to talk through a speaker to pick up your kid and then you are only let in the atrium. Honestly, I haven't seen many details so maybe they were outside. IF the shooter got inside the building there are failures in they system beyond mental health resources.
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Post by steiny on May 25, 2022 7:33:20 GMT -5
Sad deal. This is a mental health issue, there are pics of kid wearing dresses and saying weird stuff on social media. You can't tell me that some family and or classmates didn't know he had some serious issues, and probably knew he had access to gun(s) as well.
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Post by stevein on May 25, 2022 10:19:33 GMT -5
Killed his Grandmother too. I look for another soon. If we are lucky schools will be out before the next one gets enough hate or whatever it takes to do something like this.
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Post by firstwd on May 25, 2022 10:23:33 GMT -5
I haven't heard anything indicating that the school was a planned target. It's possible, because that's where he crashed leaving the scene of shooting his grandmother, the school became the target of opportunity.
Still should have never made it through the doors.
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Post by genesis273 on May 25, 2022 19:11:04 GMT -5
He posted on Facebook 15 minutes before he got there that he was going to shoot up the elementary school. Definitely not an crime of opportunity.
I would like to know why the school wasn't locked down immediately. Did the school officer not have time to notify of a lock down before engaging the shooter? Did the shooter fire at the officer first and take him by surprise?
I'm sure these answers will come out before long. But, until then, I am not going to blame another single person other than that psychopath.
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Post by span870 on May 26, 2022 5:47:05 GMT -5
Read an article today. Stated that from the time he entered the school and started shooting until the time police entered the building was between 30 and 40 minutes. If true, this I have a problem with.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 26, 2022 6:31:08 GMT -5
They waited for back up and set up a perimeter. Very delayed entry of the building.
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Post by parrothead on May 26, 2022 6:40:45 GMT -5
Average time of school shooting 12.5 minutes Average response time 18 minutes
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Post by parrothead on May 26, 2022 6:41:25 GMT -5
News stated last night this was 27th school shooting of year.
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Post by greghopper on May 26, 2022 6:54:13 GMT -5
Read an article today. Stated that from the time he entered the school and started shooting until the time police entered the building was between 30 and 40 minutes. If true, this I have a problem with. What would be a good response time in your opinion?
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Post by genesis273 on May 26, 2022 7:07:37 GMT -5
Read an article today. Stated that from the time he entered the school and started shooting until the time police entered the building was between 30 and 40 minutes. If true, this I have a problem with. Before the team was able to get assembled and stacked, yes. But, earlier arriving officers attempted to gain access through windows and were shot and shot at. Doors were barricaded. Doorways are bad enough "fatal funnels". Windows are worse. It's not like they sat on their hands waiting. Efforts were made immediately. Starting with the officer outside, who was also shot. But, his efforts at least got the suspect to drop his ammo bag. Officer's were immediately evacuating other kids. You have to remember, they're going into a school full of children. They can't just go in and sling lead. They have to at least know where the threat is, contain it and then execute the plan to stop it. All without harming anyone else. They'd be crucified for that too.
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Post by jjas on May 26, 2022 7:31:19 GMT -5
Below is part of an article from the texas tribune www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/texas-elementary-school-shooting-uvalde/I've yet to see anything that has been verified by law enforcement, but I did hear that the back door of the school was unlocked. Is that true? I don't know, but it would explain how the shooter got into the building. In the end, it'll come out.
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Post by greyhair on May 26, 2022 12:16:47 GMT -5
Ok this might sound crazy but? One side wants gun control. The other side advocates for more armed protection.
We are missing something. Just about every time, the perpetrator telegraphs their intent on social media, or to people. While not usually an advocate of government intrusion or monitoring, when someone telegraphs their evil intent, can't there be intervention?
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Post by firstwd on May 26, 2022 15:36:43 GMT -5
Ok this might sound crazy but? One side wants gun control. The other side advocates for more armed protection. We are missing something. Just about every time, the perpetrator telegraphs their intent on social media, or to people. While not usually an advocate of government intrusion or monitoring, when someone telegraphs their evil intent, can't there be intervention? That seems to only work if someone says something about the covid vaccine
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Post by Woody Williams on May 26, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -5
Ok this might sound crazy but? One side wants gun control. The other side advocates for more armed protection. We are missing something. Just about every time, the perpetrator telegraphs their intent on social media, or to people. While not usually an advocate of government intrusion or monitoring, when someone telegraphs their evil intent, can't there be intervention? In this case he gave a 30 minute warning on Facebook. Basically... "I'm going to shoot my grandmother." "I shot my grandmother". "I'm going to shoot an elementary school" But, you are right in most instances there are all kinds of red flags throw up. Good question on how to handle that. Personally if someone posts they are going to kill someone then take them seriously and put them where they cant do as planned. The super market shooter was a prime example where he spent a total of 20 hours in a hospital being evaluated.. then turned loose. Whoever said he was no danger should share a prison cell with the perp. We CAN do a much better job at securing schools. Unfortunately Chuck Schummer is more interested in going after guns and beating down the Republicans.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 26, 2022 17:55:38 GMT -5
Tried to watch Fox News but we were eating dinner with our neighbor.
Best I could catch the perp was in the school a full hour before he was taken down. He came in unmolested through the back door. Nothing about exchanging gun fire with a resource officer.
That’s not what the original version from authorities was..
Like I says I was eating abs talking with the neighbor so I might have missed something or misunderstood something.
Anybody watch it and can elaborate?
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Post by boman on May 26, 2022 18:31:14 GMT -5
Tried to watch Fox News but we were eating dinner with our neighbor. Best I could catch the perp was in the school a full hour before he was taken down. He came in unmolested through the back door. Nothing about exchanging gun fire with a resource officer. That’s not what the original version from authorities was.. Like I says I was eating abs talking with the neighbor so I might have missed something or misunderstood something. Anybody watch it and can elaborate? perp entered thru an unlocked door, 4 min later 3 officers arrived, no resource officer present at school. apparently no exchange of gunfire at this point but still not clear. also not clear if law enforcement on scene continued to hear shots while "they decided what to do". that took almost an hour. Bottom line---the school system and law enforcement dropped the ball as far as protecting those kids in my opinion. AND congress will probably pass some "feel good" legislation to satisfy the public. Steve
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