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Post by HighCotton on Feb 24, 2023 16:10:44 GMT -5
I’m onsite working on a paper mill boiler system.
Into a conversation with a fella on guns.
He mentioned that he bought a semi automatic 22 rifle at an auction years ago.
Was told it was Mossberg’s first semi automatic 22 rifle but he doesn’t recall the model.
He said it was a dumb purchase because it jammed every round.
He’ll check out the model tonight.
I’m telling him that I’ll look at it to see if it’s anything I can repair/fix.
I just figured I would post the question here in case someone knows!
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Post by jjas on Feb 24, 2023 16:30:37 GMT -5
I think he's likely talking about the Mossberg 151m(b).
If you google it, you find quite a few articles and videos on it.
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Post by HighCotton on Feb 24, 2023 18:09:39 GMT -5
I think he's likely talking about the Mossberg 151m(b). If you google it, you find quite a few articles and videos on it. Thanks jjas, I’ll have to look later since no signal once I step back into the plant! |
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Post by esshup on Feb 25, 2023 1:54:15 GMT -5
I think he's likely talking about the Mossberg 151m(b). If you google it, you find quite a few articles and videos on it. I actually have one of those guns and have not had a jamming issue with it ever. I used it for squirrel hunting when I was a kid. It was accurate. It didn't have the sling on it. |
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Post by HighCotton on Feb 27, 2023 7:11:07 GMT -5
I got a message that his rifle is in fact a Mossberg model 151-M.
And he said there is another mark that looks like a symbol or letter within parentheses but he can’t make it out.
I hope to tap in with him later this week and see the rifle in person.
He’s also open to “offers” so I’ll see where that goes!
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Post by HighCotton on Feb 27, 2023 17:55:23 GMT -5
I’m traveling, on the job.
But, I had a great conversation with the owner of this rifle.
It so happens that he has an S&W MP in 40 S&W and he’s interested in me working up some handloads for him.
He has plenty of ball ammo and said he’d like to get some hollow points.
I told him that I’ve had good success with loading 180 gr JHP’s over 4.2 grains of Titegroup to 1.15 OAL.
They’ve grouped well out of my Glock 23 and he is curious to try them out in his pistol.
I haven’t even seen this Mossberg yet but that’s ok!
I promised him that we’d shoot the handloads together just to give him some assurance on the safety side!
I’m not sure if this will come together but I sure love trying!
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Post by HighCotton on Feb 28, 2023 7:34:06 GMT -5
So I have been warned by a few friends and some here on Hunting-Indiana that this barter is not a smart idea!
And I am all about heeding good advice!
I might be incurring some liability for which I’d rather not entertain.
Hmmm!?!?
So, on to Plan B!
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Post by oldhoyt on Feb 28, 2023 9:12:44 GMT -5
Easily dealt with if you write a receipt stating that the loads are from a published manual indicating they have been tested and found to be within safe pressure limits. Add that you followed accepted loading procedures and the loads have been found to be safe in your gun. Finish with a disclaimer that by choosing to use the loads, the person assumes all liability for any property or physical damage that may result. Have him sign the receipt and keep it for your records.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 28, 2023 11:14:44 GMT -5
Easily dealt with if you write a receipt stating that the loads are from a published manual indicating they have been tested and found to be within safe pressure limits. Add that you followed accepted loading procedures and the loads have been found to be safe in your gun. Finish with a disclaimer that by choosing to use the loads, the person assumes all liability for any property or physical damage that may result. Have him sign the receipt and keep it for your records. You could still be sued if something would happen but that does help you. |
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Post by HighCotton on Feb 28, 2023 12:03:39 GMT -5
Easily dealt with if you write a receipt stating that the loads are from a published manual indicating they have been tested and found to be within safe pressure limits. Add that you followed accepted loading procedures and the loads have been found to be safe in your gun. Finish with a disclaimer that by choosing to use the loads, the person assumes all liability for any property or physical damage that may result. Have him sign the receipt and keep it for your records. You could still be sued if something would happen but that does help you. You’re right, Greg! In this day and age, you can sue anybody for just about anything! I guess it all depends on the amount of risk a person wants to take! |
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Post by esshup on Feb 28, 2023 23:56:26 GMT -5
Easily dealt with if you write a receipt stating that the loads are from a published manual indicating they have been tested and found to be within safe pressure limits. Add that you followed accepted loading procedures and the loads have been found to be safe in your gun. Finish with a disclaimer that by choosing to use the loads, the person assumes all liability for any property or physical damage that may result. Have him sign the receipt and keep it for your records. And if the guy were to use those loads in the gun for self defense and actually shot someone that piece of paper would be worthless and HCG would be in court spending a lot of money. Go ahead and say that's not true but I don't believe you and you can't convince me that I am wrong. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 1, 2023 6:04:15 GMT -5
Easily dealt with if you write a receipt stating that the loads are from a published manual indicating they have been tested and found to be within safe pressure limits. Add that you followed accepted loading procedures and the loads have been found to be safe in your gun. Finish with a disclaimer that by choosing to use the loads, the person assumes all liability for any property or physical damage that may result. Have him sign the receipt and keep it for your records. And if the guy were to use those loads in the gun for self defense and actually shot someone that piece of paper would be worthless and HCG would be in court spending a lot of money. Go ahead and say that's not true but I don't believe you and you can't convince me that I am wrong. How could someone PROVE who loaded the ammunition when using factory brass? ……”bought it at the flea market” I say the biggest risk is the USER getting hurt by a faulty reload IMO. Reloads are best used by the actual person doing the reloading….as prior stated you can be sued for about anything nowadays! |
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Post by esshup on Mar 1, 2023 9:23:06 GMT -5
And if the guy were to use those loads in the gun for self defense and actually shot someone that piece of paper would be worthless and HCG would be in court spending a lot of money. Go ahead and say that's not true but I don't believe you and you can't convince me that I am wrong. How could someone PROVE who loaded the ammunition when using factory brass? ……”bought it at the flea market” I say the biggest risk is the USER getting hurt by a faulty reload IMO. Reloads are best used by the actual person doing the reloading….as prior stated you can be sued for about anything nowadays! All it takes is the shooter to say "HighCottonGuide" loaded the rounds for me. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 1, 2023 9:37:17 GMT -5
How could someone PROVE who loaded the ammunition when using factory brass? ……”bought it at the flea market” I say the biggest risk is the USER getting hurt by a faulty reload IMO. Reloads are best used by the actual person doing the reloading….as prior stated you can be sued for about anything nowadays! All it takes is the shooter to say "HighCottonGuide" loaded the rounds for me. Of coarse….But why would someone you know say that? And why is what ammo you’re using a factor in a legal shooting?Murder maybe yes. What would HCG be charged with for giving his friend reloads that was used to protect himself? Sorry but I don’t live in the land of what “If”… |
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 1, 2023 17:46:07 GMT -5
My wife works for an attorney (as she has for the past 40+ years) and we did a little inquiry.
It turns out, according to (18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41), ATF,
"... if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit."
a person is actually required to be licensed.
We realize there are a ton of gray areas here.
I'd rather be safe than sorry.
I'm looking to do this deal in a less risky fashion!
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Post by jjas on Mar 1, 2023 18:03:02 GMT -5
IMO, better safe than sorry...
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Post by greghopper on Mar 1, 2023 18:16:27 GMT -5
My wife works for an attorney (as she has for the past 40+ years) and we did a little inquiry. It turns out, according to (18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41), ATF, "... if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit." a person is actually required to be licensed. We realize there are a ton of gray areas here. I'd rather be safe than sorry. I'm looking to do this deal in a less risky fashion! Free shouldn’t be a problem….but that’s not what been discussed,liability seems to have some concerned! |
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Post by esshup on Mar 2, 2023 11:18:00 GMT -5
Greg, with all your opinions about the legalities of this stuff, you need to take this class. massadayoobgroup.com/mag-20-classroom/After you do then you can come back and tell us about what we should or should not do. I did and it opened my eyes to a LOT of things that could happen, and what it would cost someone to defend themselves even if they are in the right, let alone what it would cost them if they were in a grey area. I will listen to a person that is a professional witness and has experience in these things vs. someone that isn't. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 2, 2023 11:32:54 GMT -5
Greg, with all your opinions about the legalities of this stuff, you need to take this class. massadayoobgroup.com/mag-20-classroom/After you do then you can come back and tell us about what we should or should not do. I did and it opened my eyes to a LOT of things that could happen, and what it would cost someone to defend themselves even if they are in the right, let alone what it would cost them if they were in a grey area. I will listen to a person that is a professional witness and has experience in these things vs. someone that isn't. You got any cases you can reference where someone used a reloaded round to defend themselves legally,then the guy that done the reloading was sued or charged? BTW… I talked with a LEO yesterday about defending one self with a reloaded round and the reloader being sued or charged. He reply was “Do what… who came up with that idea” |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 2, 2023 13:18:59 GMT -5
Anyone listen to WIBC in Indianapolis (www.wibc.com and 93.1 FM),show entitled “The Gun Guy with Guy Relford,” airing Saturdays from 5:00 to 7:00 pm. He has given advice on reloading liability also… www.relfordlaw.com/His FB page….. www.facebook.com/relfordlaw. The real deal not just a class! |
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