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Post by jtkelly on Mar 4, 2024 22:03:11 GMT -5
Just food for thought and conversation. There are a few videos out there making the comparison with a pretty wide variety of conclusions. Thought I'd post a few to talk about and think it over. youtu.be/iV-gAWOE0Ggyoutu.be/leKgeahYf5Q |
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Post by SFC (R) B on Mar 5, 2024 15:29:08 GMT -5
Sig XTen, compact, compensated. 😉
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Post by esshup on Mar 5, 2024 23:25:13 GMT -5
Sig P229 Legion, SAO
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Post by jtkelly on Mar 7, 2024 21:21:37 GMT -5
I bought a 510T about a week or so ago, brought it home, cleaned it but I never shot it right away.
Then I started running across these "case bulging" threads... blah blah blah.
Today I got it out on the range with a gallon jug of my reloads I use all the time in my other guns. In the gun room I loaded up both magazines and manually ran several through the slide action, chamber and magazines just to confirm the feeding short of firing them.
#1 comment you really want to know about. It takes a man of steel to load these freaking magazines all the way to the top! I think I got the start of a blister before I ever fired the first shot or even packed every thing out to the range.
#2 Walk out to the range inventory. Chronograph, jug of ammo, pistol, 2 magazines, gun bag, ear muffs, eye protection, can of paint, brass sweeper, tie up the dog to keep him up at the house.
#3 Set up chronograph and fired 4 test shots, search for brass. Darn consistent all day in the direction and force it throws the brass. Not hard to find.
#4 Brass visual examination, results look just the same as when I shoot these from my other 10mm guns. Glock & Colt. No visually noticeable bulge. No giant brass ruining scrapes, scratches or gouges. I'm calling this a NON PROBLEM.
I shot another 60 to 70 pcs today with out worry and never even examined the brass until I picked it all up and while handling it and comparing to the still loaded brass in the jug you can hardly tell any difference other than a bullet in it.
#5 Load details. I was shooting my own 180 grain lead cast bullets, lubed, sized for 10mm, and re lubed with Lee alox. Blue Dot power at a load listed in a Hornady manual. Getting approximately 1250fps - 1300 fps for all test loads.
Lee factory crimp locking them in there tight.
Now some opinion. First off this thing SOUNDS LIKE A CANNON! It could be partly due to the electronic muffs as they muffle the shot and then I can hear the echo go up and down the valley like I'm not even wearing them. Darn cool but I'll bet every neighbor with in a half mile or more was sitting straight up, "WT heck?" before I quit and started picking stuff up. I don't have a clue why it struck me this way as I've fired these thousands of times in my other guns. Same loads, same muffs, same range. Wife could even hear it inside a log cabin while she was taking a shower.
2 It does have some recoil, lol. No doubt but nothing I'd come close to calling "painful" or wrist twisting. By the time I shot 60 the only thing sore was my trigger finger/magazine loading finger.
I was surprise how little the trigger I thought might be a real bummer, even mattered shooting this today. Now granted I was just making more of a function test than an accuracy exercise. On accuracy, these seemed to hit about 3 inches low of point of aim at about 20 yards. But they were close enough together for what I was doing today. I wasn't serous enough about it to really make an opinion on the validity of any accuracy claims. I'll just say it was good enough for today.
Reliability, I wouldn't call that good or bad at this point. I had a couple light strikes that went off on the first try when I'd finish the mag and put it back in. Had a fail to go all the way into battery but just a light touch put the slide all the way forward. On the excuse list, Blue Dot seems dirty, lead reloads seem dirty, alox makes EVERYTHING dirty. When I'm hunting with that kind of stuff, I go through everything I'm going to carry and wipe it all perfectly clean before loading up. For blasting away on a chrony/range day test run I use them the way they fall out of the jar.
Found all my brass but maybe 2-3 pieces.
Conclusion, I wouldn't let any of the rumors about case bulging or trigger pull scare me out of buying one if you want one. This gun is striker fired, like a Glock. I will say I like my FNX45T just as much or more at this point. It is an external hammer action like a 1911.
The big decision between those two guns in my opinion boil down to 10 vs 45 and striker fire vs double/single action exposed hammer.
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Post by jtkelly on Mar 8, 2024 22:48:40 GMT -5
Ordered a mag loader assist thing today, always gave a sort of nasty look to those things but dang. My finger is still sore today and it is supposed to work with several guns. Got a big mag for the G20 and some extra grip screws for a 1911 at the same time.
Gave that gun a thorough cleaning and no significant leading. Brush, gun cleaner, and a couple wads cleaned it all up like new. No biggy. I think I may have found the cause of the few hiccups it had. My reloads are at the exact recommended COL. In the 510 magazines they just barely touch the end of the magazine when they are being loaded. May be some contact there when firing, slowing just enough to hang things up once in a while. Next time I reload a few I'll make 50 maybe .005 or .010" shorter to see if I can tell any difference.
I think I might copy another holster and just make my own for this gun.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 10, 2024 8:05:05 GMT -5
Ordered a mag loader assist thing today, always gave a sort of nasty look to those things but dang. My finger is still sore today and it is supposed to work with several guns. Got a big mag for the G20 and some extra grip screws for a 1911 at the same time. Gave that gun a thorough cleaning and no significant leading. Brush, gun cleaner, and a couple wads cleaned it all up like new. No biggy. I think I may have found the cause of the few hiccups it had. My reloads are at the exact recommended COL. In the 510 magazines they just barely touch the end of the magazine when they are being loaded. May be some contact there when firing, slowing just enough to hang things up once in a while. Next time I reload a few I'll make 50 maybe .005 or .010" shorter to see if I can tell any difference. I think I might copy another holster and just make my own for this gun. Curious, what do you mean by copy another holster and make your own? Would that be leather, composite or something else? |
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Post by jtkelly on Mar 10, 2024 11:55:48 GMT -5
Ordered a mag loader assist thing today, always gave a sort of nasty look to those things but dang. My finger is still sore today and it is supposed to work with several guns. Got a big mag for the G20 and some extra grip screws for a 1911 at the same time. Gave that gun a thorough cleaning and no significant leading. Brush, gun cleaner, and a couple wads cleaned it all up like new. No biggy. I think I may have found the cause of the few hiccups it had. My reloads are at the exact recommended COL. In the 510 magazines they just barely touch the end of the magazine when they are being loaded. May be some contact there when firing, slowing just enough to hang things up once in a while. Next time I reload a few I'll make 50 maybe .005 or .010" shorter to see if I can tell any difference. I think I might copy another holster and just make my own for this gun. Curious, what do you mean by copy another holster and make your own? Would that be leather, composite or something else? It will be leather if I make one. I've made a couple and had an Amish leather worker make a few for me. My wife was a leather worker / re-enactor in a pioneer village for several years. Already got everything to do it just laying around here but the "do it". I'll make it similar to my DeSantis speed scabbard I've got for an FNX45T and I was looking over a couple of Glock 20 holsters I've got last evening absorbing the best parts about them. The BIG difference that keeps this gun from fitting in those holsters is the tall suppressor height sights on it. |
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