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Post by tynimiller on May 9, 2016 13:41:51 GMT -5
I can safely oppose baiting, as I use none of those methods. Lol! I don't use food plots, crop fields, or scents. In fact,I haven't even carried a grunt tube or rattling antlers in quite a few years now. I put out a camera in August, and pull it before season. I bet the seed, scent, call and camera manufacturers and retailers are happy that you are the exception and not the rule nowadays....LOL. Funny thing is ALL those companies bank on the fact not many hunters TRULY commit to the pursuit of mature bucks to the extent it takes to do it consistently....so they stay hungry looking for the next thing that is "supposed" to upgrade their hunter level. Funny thing is many of us have figured out that isn't how it works....you can hunt for years, and even hunt the same land for years...and then BAM, everything you've learned is thrown out the window. LOVE IT!
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2016 15:15:23 GMT -5
Folks bait/feed deer to kill them.... It doesn't have to be a buck or a mature buck many folks would kill any deer when ever there was a chance to do so .... Buck or Doe!!!
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Post by Land Between the Lakes on May 9, 2016 16:43:48 GMT -5
People that are complaining about low deer sightings now will really be howling when their neighbor dumps a truckload of bait and every deer in the area is drawn away to their property. Lol! In Kentucky a big issue is people dumping bait right on the property line. Which they are obviously trying to pull deer off the neighboring property. That causes all kinds of issues in Kentucky and other states that allow baiting.
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Post by Huntnfreak on May 9, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5
Might as well make it legal...obviously people are struggling to kill deer! Anything to make it easier and more ethical!! SMH
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Post by firstwd on May 9, 2016 18:27:05 GMT -5
For those that oppose hunting over "bait", are you willing to say NO to bait (feed, minerals, salt blocks, and food plots) year round to clean up the laws?
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2016 19:05:50 GMT -5
For those that oppose hunting over "bait", are you willing to say NO to bait (feed, minerals, salt blocks, and food plots) year round to clean up the laws? Explain how that would "clean up the laws" ? Why would folks that are non-Hunters be forced to do this ?
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Post by firstwd on May 9, 2016 19:22:27 GMT -5
For those that oppose hunting over "bait", are you willing to say NO to bait (feed, minerals, salt blocks, and food plots) year round to clean up the laws? Explain how that would "clean up the laws" ? Why would folks that are non-Hunters be forced to do this ? Outlawing everything year round would absolutely clean up the laws. Personally, I don't care either way. I'm a "simple is best" type of person. Either make it all legal all the time, or none of it at any time.
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2016 19:27:02 GMT -5
If you think there is a "GRAY AREA" now wait till you try to enforce that law.....LOL
First thing someone will say "Those are not for Deer".....And they very well may not be!
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Post by firstwd on May 9, 2016 19:28:47 GMT -5
If you think there is a "GRAY AREA" now wait till you try to enforce that law.....LOL First thing someone will say "Those are not for Deer"..... Then the simplest answer would appear to be allowing everything year round. ;-)
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2016 19:32:22 GMT -5
Or just leave it like it is and NOT reinvent the wheel...
BTW....Everything is already LEGAL now just no Hunting over it.....
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Post by trapperdave on May 9, 2016 19:47:35 GMT -5
Come on October!
I'm ready to toss some rocks.
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Post by nfalls116 on May 9, 2016 19:53:39 GMT -5
Come on October! I'm ready to toss some rocks. I made some jerky today... It felt like November agan
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Post by chewbacca on May 12, 2016 12:26:18 GMT -5
Or just leave it like it is and NOT reinvent the wheel... BTW....Everything is already LEGAL now just no Hunting over it..... Please define "hunting over it"
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Post by tynimiller on May 12, 2016 14:32:50 GMT -5
Or just leave it like it is and NOT reinvent the wheel... BTW....Everything is already LEGAL now just no Hunting over it..... Please define "hunting over it" When in doubt...if you have to ask the answer is "yes you are".
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Post by chewbacca on May 13, 2016 7:52:25 GMT -5
Please define "hunting over it" When in doubt...if you have to ask the answer is "yes you are". Ty, I get it. The point I was trying to make is earlier in this thread Greghopper stated there was no grey area with the law. There is a grey area. The grey area is in the definition of "hunting over it". We all have different definitions of what hunting over something means. With all that said, I have no intentions of ever hunting near a bait station but I feel deeper clarification of the law is needed. I use bait stations to get deer in front of the camera in late summer but I don't place them anywhere near any of our stands (at least 200yds away from all of our stands). Also, I do not remove the soil like the law says unless I end up placing a station relatively close to a stand. I try to follow every letter of the law. But, am I breaking the law by not removing the soil at a bait station that isn't anywhere near where we hunt (although it is in the same woods)? In my interpretation of the law I'm not hunting over it but since the regulations aren't concise then I may just be breaking the rules.
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Post by tynimiller on May 13, 2016 8:57:02 GMT -5
Yup, definitely some grey area. CO discretion is a real thing, which is why if anyone ever feels they may be dealing with a potential issue contact them. Open that communication line.
I've shared here and even discussed with local CO an issue at my new property. A neighboring home owner has on their empty lot a deer feeder and salt block....I'm attempting to get them to at minimum agree to remove it in Mid-September until after January...if they refuse I want the CO to fully beware of the situation and I want to know their opinion on the matter.
I should be able to hunt the entirety of my property but may not be able to do so if they don't stop. It is within 50 yards of a bedding area and I'd picked out a tree my first visit for a potential stand but I doubt I will if they don't stop...nothing is worth losing hunting rights.
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Post by wesb81219 on May 13, 2016 21:47:58 GMT -5
Yup, definitely some grey area. CO discretion is a real thing, which is why if anyone ever feels they may be dealing with a potential issue contact them. Open that communication line. I've shared here and even discussed with local CO an issue at my new property. A neighboring home owner has on their empty lot a deer feeder and salt block....I'm attempting to get them to at minimum agree to remove it in Mid-September until after January...if they refuse I want the CO to fully beware of the situation and I want to know their opinion on the matter. I should be able to hunt the entirety of my property but may not be able to do so if they don't stop. It is within 50 yards of a bedding area and I'd picked out a tree my first visit for a potential stand but I doubt I will if they don't stop...nothing is worth losing hunting rights. This is a huge problem in my eyes. no one should ever even encounter this problem. your property is your property and you should be able to hunt EVERY inch of it as you please, you paid or are paying for it. I believe if anything private property lines should play a role in this. If baiting is not made legal or all or nothing if it's not on YOUR property it shouldn't be held against you in any way. I understand this could create an entirely separate issue but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
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Post by dbd870 on May 14, 2016 6:16:01 GMT -5
This is why I am for it.
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Post by daneowner on May 14, 2016 22:08:10 GMT -5
Some have said they don't see much difference between a food plot and baiting except food plots take more time and cost more. I am a food plotter and I feel there is a much larger benefit in the food plots vs. a bait pile. I normally plant one bag of seed corn which will do a little over 2 acres. At 150 bushel an area the wildlife (including deer) will have approx.300 bushel of corn to feed on for the winter months. I also put out approx. 3 acres of turnips in the fall for winter food. There is approx. 150,000 seed in a lb. I sow 7 lbs. too the acre which is a total of 1,050,000 per area if 100% germination. I also have approx. 5 acres of legumes ( clover-alfalfa) that the deer can use until late fall. Yes the time and cost is greater, but I personally feel there's a "huge" difference between a food plot and a "bait pile". Yes, I do hunt near the food plots and will take 2-3 each year. But I also will be feeding 10 times that many thru the winter to help them survive. The bait pile won't, can't do that, unless you take the "Time and Money" to bait all winter long.
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Post by firstwd on May 14, 2016 22:26:52 GMT -5
^^^^^ those aren't food plots, those are crop fields that you don't harvest.
Seriously people, someone explain how in the world deer ever survived before so many people started feeding deer all winter/year? I just don't get it.
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