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Post by genesis273 on Nov 11, 2021 10:10:20 GMT -5
So, I know rifle have "cold bore shots". I learned of this during sniper school and would have to adjust that first shot of the day for the cold bore. It was consistent.
Now, with my muzzleloader, I noticed yesterday that the first shot out of a freshly swabbed barrel in my Traditions Pursuit Strikefire would hit low left a couple inches. The follow up rounds would stack up by each near the zero mark.
My question is, is that the same thing as a cold bore or is it just the little bit of fouling help stabilize the sabot? My thought is, just leave the barrel a little dirty until after season.
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Post by parson on Nov 11, 2021 11:17:40 GMT -5
Most all muzzleloader that I have owned over the years needed a fouling shot, sometimes a couple.
I never clean mine after my last range session prior to hunting.
Hope that you nail a big 'un with it!
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Post by stevein on Nov 11, 2021 12:06:08 GMT -5
I run a wet pAtch down between every shot. On hunting rifles I follow with a dry patch. I want close to the same condition as I would be hunting. The first is not that far from the rest.
I hunt with a clean bore. I shoot Goex 2f in both flint and cap locks. Black powder in not very hydroscopic until shot. Then it sucks up moisture like a sponge.
Most hunter type muzzle loader shooters just shoot until they can't push the load down then do a clean up and start over.
So next time you are out try running a wet/dry patch between shots to see if that makes a difference.
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 11, 2021 13:09:27 GMT -5
I cleaned it before I went to shoot. First shot was low left. Second two were side by side, next to the "X". I cleaned it, first shot low left, next two were right in the money. Cleaned, first shot, low left.....
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 11, 2021 13:13:41 GMT -5
I cleaned it before I went to shoot. First shot was low left. Second two were side by side, next to the "X". I cleaned it, first shot low left, next two were right in the money. Cleaned, first shot, low left..... You may have put it elsewhere, but what is your powder, bullet, and cleaning solution? |
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 11, 2021 14:08:33 GMT -5
I started using Hodgdon's Triple 7 FFFg with a Harvester Scorpion PT Gold in 260gr.
I am using Traditions solvent.
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 12, 2021 7:06:53 GMT -5
I started using Hodgdon's Triple 7 FFFg with a Harvester Scorpion PT Gold in 260gr. I am using Traditions solvent. Is the solvent for BP, Pyrodex, & 777 or is it for BH209? I know some people don't have any issue using a petroleum-based cleaner with BP and "older" sub powders, but those powders usually don't interact with the oil residues very well. Before loading for your "cold/clean" shot, run a patch with brake cleaner and allow it to dry or run a dry patch to make sure. This will remove any trace of the oils left by a petroleum-based cleaner. This should make your first shot go in your group or pretty darn close. Lead conical shooters swear by wrapping their lead bullet with teflon tape for the first shot to put it in with their groups. I've never tried it, but read so many posts about it on a muzzleloader forum. No idea if that would work with a sabot nor not. Here is what I would be doing if it were my muzzleloader: Get a water-based cleaner like T/C #13. Use a brake cleaner patch or two if you had oiled the bore for storage. Pop a primer to make sure the breech plug is clear of oil. Load and shoot. Clean with the water-based cleaner. Pop a primer to make sure there is no moisture from the cleaner in the breech plug. Load and shoot. Repeat until you have it sighted in. Shoot a follow-up shot or 2 to see where it hits on a "dirty" bore. I always hunted on a "cold/CLEAN" bore. #1- I always had better accuracy cleaning between shots. #2- NEVER suffered from ANY corrosion in the barrel from having to leave the bore dirty and loaded to hunt because it was always clean and dry. I had a guy bring me his Encore a couple years ago because he could not get it to group. He was shooting 777 and cleaning with Hoppe's. I cleaned between shots with T/C #13 and it would touch bullet holes at 100 yards. I brought him back the gun and the target and he asked me how I did it. I told him that I cleaned between each shot with #13. I had already told him to quit using Hoppe's with 777. |
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 12, 2021 7:44:30 GMT -5
Looking closer at the solvent, it is for BH209. I appreciate the tips and will invest in so mm e T/C#13. I'll try the brake cleaner too.
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 12, 2021 9:10:07 GMT -5
Looking closer at the solvent, it is for BH209. I appreciate the tips and will invest in so mm e T/C#13. I'll try the brake cleaner too. Hodgdon always said that you could use just plain water to clean up 777 fouling, but T/C #13 is a little better than just straight water. I am sure that there are other brands of bore cleaners for black powder that would work, too, as long as they were not petroleum-based. I have always used T/C because that is what the local gun shop stocks. |
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Post by schall53 on Nov 12, 2021 9:23:46 GMT -5
So, I know rifle have "cold bore shots". I learned of this during sniper school and would have to adjust that first shot of the day for the cold bore. It was consistent. Now, with my muzzleloader, I noticed yesterday that the first shot out of a freshly swabbed barrel in my Traditions Pursuit Strikefire would hit low left a couple inches. The follow up rounds would stack up by each near the zero mark. My question is, is that the same thing as a cold bore or is it just the little bit of fouling help stabilize the sabot? My thought is, just leave the barrel a little dirty until after season. I always hunt with a fouled bore. The first shot with a clean bore is always off. |
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Nov 12, 2021 9:41:20 GMT -5
I always hunt with clean bore. Never a fouling shot or pop a cap. I can see through the breech, good to go.
Never leave it un cleaned. Clean it asap once fired.
Use t/c cleaning supplies. Never used hot water. I want my muzzle loader spotless.
Raining. I will change load no matter what before I go back out. Even with muzzle covered. Moisture will find a way.
T/C Endeavor. 3 pellets triple 777. Hornady 250 sabot.
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Post by stevein on Nov 12, 2021 13:19:15 GMT -5
I cleaned it before I went to shoot. First shot was low left. Second two were side by side, next to the "X". I cleaned it, first shot low left, next two were right in the money. Cleaned, first shot, low left..... With a dirty bore it hits where you want. With a clean bore it hits in a different spot but where clean bore shots hit. Why not keep it constant by cleaning between shots? Just run a wet/dry patch down and have a consistent bore condition. In the field just run a spit patch down followed by a dry patch. |
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Post by esshup on Nov 15, 2021 12:33:29 GMT -5
99.9% of the time I hunt with a fouled bore. Yes, all my rifles and muzzleloaders shoot to a different POI with a clean cold barrel.
My Long Range Rifle shoots 2 MOA high from a clean cold barrel.
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 16, 2021 9:05:22 GMT -5
My gun is clean and dry of any oils when loaded for hunting. That way there's no powder or primer residue in the bore or BP to draw moisture from the atmosphere that could prevent or delay ingition. I don't care too much about the difference in POI for the next shot taken after shooting a deer (though based on range experience, it isn't much). My follow-up shots, if necessary, are usually fired from a few yards away.
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