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Post by alduflux on Dec 27, 2023 16:01:52 GMT -5
In Ohio, you are required to have written permission to hunt on private property. This is the peliminary charge, but suspect there will be more charges added. Feel bad for the young man, but also feel bad for the landowner and other hunter's that were chasing this deer. I say this isn’t his first illegal Deer ….probably his first time getting caught though! BTW….Indiana has the same private property law as Ohio…..AKA TRESPASSING! www.in.gov/dnr/fish-and-wildlife/files/fw-Private_Land_Permission_Form.pdfIf Indiana has the same law as Ohio (WRITTEN permission required) then I am unaware of it and no one has provided any links to such law. The link you provided is a permission form which is not required. The form exist only as a way to put land owners at ease that they are protected from hunter negligence etc. The form itself only says owner consent is required. No where does it say written permission is required. The form was created specifically as a way to encourage more land owners to give permission to hunt on their property. The excuse of "you would sue if you hurt yourself" does not apply in Indiana as the law that the form references protects the owner by law. The permission form, to my knowledge, provides no legal protection whatsoever. That legal protection exists with or without a signed permission form.
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Post by alduflux on Dec 27, 2023 16:06:07 GMT -5
I don't know Ohio law. Is it really necessary to have written permission to hunt on private land? I've never had more then word of mouth permission to hunt on land I don't own in Indiana. It's required over here for any activities. That's one of the first thing they'll ask for if checked. It takes all liability off the landowners incase 9f any accidents. That's unfortunate. In Indiana land owners are protected by law from agrotourism accidents (ie, falling out of tree stands, shooting yourself, tree falls on you in the woods etc).
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Post by greghopper on Dec 27, 2023 16:30:16 GMT -5
If Indiana has the same law as Ohio (WRITTEN permission required) then I am unaware of it and no one has provided any links to such law. The link you provided is a permission form which is not required. The form exist only as a way to put land owners at ease that they are protected from hunter negligence etc. The form itself only says owner consent is required. No where does it say written permission is required. The form was created specifically as a way to encourage more land owners to give permission to hunt on their property. The excuse of "you would sue if you hurt yourself" does not apply in Indiana as the law that the form references protects the owner by law. The permission form, to my knowledge, provides no legal protection whatsoever. That legal protection exists with or without a signed permission form. The from has a IC code stating you need permission for private land,and on page 16 in Reg Book it has a heading about trespassing that directs you to where the permission form is found. I assumed that’s the same law Ohio has! Maybe it isn’t … Yes in Indiana you are NOT lawfully required to have WRITTEN permission prior to hunting on private property.
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Post by parkerbow on Dec 27, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -5
Punishment still wont be enough no matter what it is. They all get off too easy, heck look at Chris Brackett and that Bowmar family who are both still making money hunting after the crap they both pulled... ^^^^^^^^^This. I can't stand it when one of their shorts or videos pop up. Why do people even follow these scumbags anymore? They have stolen from all hunters. Not okay in my buck.
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Post by elmucho277 on Dec 27, 2023 21:08:05 GMT -5
I would venture a guess that the initial charge of hunting w/o written permission is just an initiating charge while they investigate the situation and develop the remaining charges against him for the full case. There must have been at least some confession by the guy since he initially stated he shot the buck on his sister's property, who I'm sure would give him written permission. What I'm curious about is what is going to happen to the guy if he is found guilty/pleads guilty to charges related to the buck. He obviously barely has two nickels to rub together since he doesn't work, let alone enough to pay restitution in tens of thousands of dollars. So if the situation calls for a civil restitution instead of a high criminal fine, what happens when he doesn't pay it? The amish guy who settled for some $20k obviously had the money/means to pay it. This guy not so much. Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, but hopefully justice is served somehow if he did in fact poach this deer.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 27, 2023 22:23:39 GMT -5
He supposedly got 30k for antlers and promised half of the replica rights….. Doubt he will see any money for replica now!
What other charges could there be unless lt was shot at night or from a vehicle? He had a legal tag,weapon and the season was in.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 29, 2023 6:25:37 GMT -5
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 29, 2023 7:33:15 GMT -5
Just read article little while ago. ODNR is not playing around. From what I read on Ohio hunting site Alexander killed deer approx. 20 miles away from sisters property on a large private parcel of land in Clinton Co. that allowed no hunting, hauled deer back to sisters property and staged a kill site there, then called a local CO to come see and document deer. What possibly could go wrong??? Not quite as smart as he thought he was. JJEEZZ
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Post by greghopper on Dec 29, 2023 7:48:07 GMT -5
Just read article little while ago. ODNR is not playing around. From what I read on Ohio hunting site Alexander killed deer approx. 20 miles away from sisters property on a large private parcel of land in Clinton Co. that allowed no hunting, hauled deer back to sisters property and staged a kill site there, then called a local CO to come see and document deer. What possibly could go wrong??? Not quite as smart as he thought he was. JJEEZZ Yeah that’s been the rumor for for a while after the camera pics from primary kill area came forward…..Him playing games by staging a kill site and having a ODNR CO verifying the kill isn’t sitting well with officials….Duped! Interesting that someone’s Trail camera pics seems to broke the case open….
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 29, 2023 8:04:37 GMT -5
Just read article little while ago. ODNR is not playing around. From what I read on Ohio hunting site Alexander killed deer approx. 20 miles away from sisters property on a large private parcel of land in Clinton Co. that allowed no hunting, hauled deer back to sisters property and staged a kill site there, then called a local CO to come see and document deer. What possibly could go wrong??? Not quite as smart as he thought he was. JJEEZZ Yeah that’s been the rumor for for a while after the camera pics from primary kill area came forward…..Him playing games by staging a kill site and having a ODNR CO verifying the kill isn’t sitting well with officials….Duped! Interesting that someone’s Trail camera pics seems to broke the case open…. "IF" he would have just kept mouth shut and not did all the interviews changing his story, and not posting pictures, just might of got away with it. He clearly was in it for fame and fortune. and brought it all on himself. Just saw on Ohio site another monster buck was killed, it will score in low 200"s also. Ohio has some big deer.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 29, 2023 9:25:55 GMT -5
Nobody said poachers were smart.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 29, 2023 10:29:50 GMT -5
Nobody said poachers were smart. Over thinker’s under achiever’s…..🦌
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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 29, 2023 10:41:58 GMT -5
Punishment still wont be enough no matter what it is. They all get off too easy, heck look at Chris Brackett and that Bowmar family who are both still making money hunting after the crap they both pulled... ^^^^^^^^^This. I can't stand it when one of their shorts or videos pop up. Why do people even follow these scumbags anymore? They have stolen from all hunters. Not okay in my buck. I block them every time I see them pop up, but first I rile up their fan base by calling the Bowmars poachers. You can’t make me believe you have been hunting all over the world for 30 years, but didn’t know you were hunting over bait piles. You can’t play dumb after everyone knows you aren’t.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 29, 2023 15:07:50 GMT -5
I'm glad they got it all figured out. It's a shame things turned out the way they did. I can see why people get so skeptical over gigantic bucks that get harvested. It really makes the people who do it the right way go through the ringer. But, honest hunters have no problem recounting the event and clearing their names
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Post by greghopper on Jan 27, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -5
Anyone heard any updates on the poached deer been a month from the ODR news release……
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Post by parkerbow on Jan 27, 2024 16:08:06 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 27, 2024 17:29:17 GMT -5
That’s interesting… I tried to watch it and couldn’t just because the way he acts…. Claims DNR was there a 1.5 hour before they asked about deer be legit! I stopped there…..
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Post by beermaker on Jan 27, 2024 17:40:08 GMT -5
That might be the dumbest looking facial hair style that I have ever seen. Just saying...
I have not researched the subject enough to produce an informed opinion. If he's guilty, throw the book at him and levy maximum punishment/fines. If it's another jealous witch hunt, I hope he sues the crap out of the instigators. Just my opinion.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 28, 2024 10:48:55 GMT -5
That’s interesting… I tried to watch it and couldn’t just because the way he acts…. Claims DNR was there a 1.5 hour before they asked about deer be legit! I stopped there….. He seems little shady to me. "IF" he is guilty and thinks he will outsmart ODNR he is in for a rude awakening, and punishments will be more severe. "IF" he is innocent , best bet is to cooperate and be forthcoming. JMO but very doubtful ODNR is going to confiscate deer without evidence of wrongdoing. Possible , but again doubtful.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 28, 2024 11:02:54 GMT -5
He talks too much about the legal process that they have to take against him and says several times “if he gets convicted “ like he doesn’t know if they’re going to catch him or not. He also said that they wanted to go through his phone to see if he had any conversations about shooting it and he wouldn’t permit them if it was legit you’d think he would want to prove it.
His Xanax remark is way over the top…..
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