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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2024 14:55:44 GMT -5
I agree. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if drones were made illegal and if they outlawed use of trail cams during season. I agree with your points about drones and cameras during the season. But the reality is that banning both (or either) would be hard to enforce. B&C position is for animals harvested the same day or timeframe of picture from my understanding! Trail cameras have zero negative affect on the health of herd and cameras actually save more deer then they take! BTW …. HRB has no negative position on cameras!
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Post by jjas on Jan 31, 2024 15:03:48 GMT -5
I agree with your points about drones and cameras during the season. But the reality is that banning both (or either) would be hard to enforce. B&C position is for animals harvested the same day or timeframe of picture from my understanding! Trail cameras have zero negative affect on the health of herd and cameras actually save more deer then they take! BTW …. HRB has no negative position on cameras! Care to source this?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2024 15:09:47 GMT -5
B&C position is for animals harvested the same day or timeframe of picture from my understanding! Trail cameras have zero negative affect on the health of herd and cameras actually save more deer then they take! BTW …. HRB has no negative position on cameras! Care to source this? Common knowledge if not they never be legal! You got a source saying they have a negative affect? Actually it seems cameras are what may lead to poaching charges In the Big Ohio deer drama…. Time will tell
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Post by jjas on Jan 31, 2024 15:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2024 15:20:32 GMT -5
Key word is “CAN” …..
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Post by ispfowler on Jan 31, 2024 15:23:29 GMT -5
I had seen that. BUT DNR could limit use on State owned lands. IDK. Have always looked at tracking and recovery as part of the hunting experience. Both are becoming a lost art. Even the use of dogs, for me at least, would be a last resort. All the different tools used to aid in deer hunting (food plots, cameras, stands, blinds , modern weapons,etc) are ok, but you see a little bit of an issue in utilizing tools to help recover a harvested animal? Seems a little paradoxical to me.
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Post by jjas on Jan 31, 2024 15:23:59 GMT -5
Whatever makes you feel better about it... And before this takes over the thread, if you have any more jewels (like the one above), send it to me via PM so as not to do so.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2024 15:30:26 GMT -5
Whatever makes you feel better about it... The link you posted is about cameras that humans have to walk in the area to check…. Thus the “CAN”…. Personally I have no feelings on camera use they are legal is the bottom line just like Crossbows and HPR’s!
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Post by jjas on Jan 31, 2024 15:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not going to help derail another thread over something you failed to add sources to.
If you'd like to continue the above, send it via PM as I requested.
If not, I'm finished with the thread.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2024 15:49:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to help derail another thread over something you failed to add sources to. If you'd like to continue the above, send it via PM as I requested. If not, I'm finished with the thread. It’s a fair topic for discussion being it’s asked in the survey… I get it that you personally believe it a unfair advantage which is fine but that’s more about ethics IMO especially being they are legal per governing agencies!
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Post by INhuntin on Jan 31, 2024 18:43:05 GMT -5
I got my notification of the survey about two days ago. The old fashioned trail cameras I don't mind but the new cellular trail cameras that are used to alert hunters as deer walk down trails should not be allowed on public land. If they just used them for pictures it would be a different thing but it may as well be an alarm or trip wire on the trail the way they use them. The drone should only be used to scout before hunting season so we are not tramping through the woods & spooking deer.
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Post by astronankin on Feb 1, 2024 7:11:08 GMT -5
I haven't yet gotten the survey.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 1, 2024 8:50:30 GMT -5
I haven't received it either, the software sending takes time to send such a massive email file - as all the notices say if you don't receive it within today or tomorrow reach out to the contact provided in the postings.
As for drones I'm staunchly against legalizing them in a blanket fashion. I'd prefer to see a license to do so, even if minimum with hefty hefty fines if connected to locating deer to hunt and not just recover. Make it a law the company with the license cannot disclose the location of any animal still alive to the hunter - only game which have their head down and no noticeable sign of life. I understand such a law would be tough to write wording wise, but I know of many that desire to use drones to scout marshes/swamps quickly and use that intel to hunt or not...it's even more sick to me than cell cameras which I personally cannot swallow to use on my private land.
Truthfully though as Indiana deer hunters have shown yearly with the likes of mineral usage, whether the IC code or laws say one thing, they'll do another if they get just a millimeter of a "gray area" in the code. I suspect drones will get legalized...and the use of them will get abused arguably in the "fair chase" aspect of hunting...I'll just quietly go over in the corner and sip my morning coffee and get called the old man who times have passed by already LOL
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Post by schall53 on Feb 1, 2024 9:05:20 GMT -5
Filled mine out yesterday.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2024 9:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 1, 2024 9:36:24 GMT -5
Yup and I already informed every rep on the committees and ones I had contacts with how ignorant this is and an overstep of the DNR process put in place. Let the NRC and DNR process work.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 1, 2024 9:48:31 GMT -5
I get IDNR emails all the time but not surveys. I guess it's because I live in Ohio and use a LTL. I did take a buck during bow season, so IDNR knows I hunted Indiana this year.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 1, 2024 12:53:48 GMT -5
IDK. Have always looked at tracking and recovery as part of the hunting experience. Both are becoming a lost art. Even the use of dogs, for me at least, would be a last resort. All the different tools used to aid in deer hunting (food plots, cameras, stands, blinds , modern weapons,etc) are ok, but you see a little bit of an issue in utilizing tools to help recover a harvested animal? Seems a little paradoxical to me. Where did I say in my comment I had a issue?? (Simply said I think tracking and recovery is part of hunting.) Personally I am dead against drones though, because in many cases they invade other property owners space by flying over neighboring properties without gaining permission first. No matter what one chooses to use, tracking, dog tracking or drone, one should 100% of time have permission before entering or flying over another persons private property.
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Post by steiny on Feb 1, 2024 14:28:25 GMT -5
Have been out of the workforce for a few years now but they were starting to use some drones in business about the time I retired. Our insurance company had a very firm stance that they would not insure us if using drones. They are so cheap and easy to obtain, I don't think too many realize the liability involved with flying one around.
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Post by ispfowler on Feb 1, 2024 17:41:52 GMT -5
Personlly I am dead against drones though, because in many cases they invade other property owners space by flying over neighboring properties without gaining permission first. No matter what one chooses to use, tracking, dog tracking or drone, one should 100% of time have permission before entering or flying over another persons private property. "In many cases they invade other property owners space by flying over neighboring properties" Just to clarify FAA laws and drones. For the most part, a drone can fly in any legal airspace across anybody's property to get from point A to point B. It's not until a drone starts searching, surveying, videoing, etc that they would be required to have permission. No different than an ultra light, paraglider,airplane, helicopter, hot air balloon, or r/c aircraft flying over your property. If any of the listed above started videoing, photographing, spying etc...it would be an invasion of privacy and against the law. Otherwise they are good to fly over your property. Do you know of any cases were a drone was spying or searching on somebody's property without permission? You said "in many cases they invade other property owner's space" I'm different in that I believe most hunters have good intentions, and the few that don't are the ones that should be arrested and prosecuted. We do both agree that anybody stepping on someone else's property or searching someone else's property, by ground or air, should have permission 100% of the time though.
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