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Post by michaelc on Feb 3, 2024 9:06:50 GMT -5
Here's a screenshot of proposed changes
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Post by duff on Feb 3, 2024 9:25:03 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders?
That will need some guidance if it becomes a law.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 3, 2024 10:08:23 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders? That will need some guidance if it becomes a law. That peaked my interest too. That NEEDS to be spelled out plainly in black and white.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 3, 2024 10:30:53 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders? That will need some guidance if it becomes a law. That peaked my interest too. That NEEDS to be spelled out plainly in black and white. IMO if it’s checked in then it’s yours if there’s a problem it needs known before checking in the deer not 3 days later when someone lets it spoil!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 3, 2024 14:34:31 GMT -5
I think they’re setting that up for when we have CWD. But yeah, that’s worded pretty vaguely.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 5, 2024 7:45:10 GMT -5
Worded loosely just like our mineral usage law.....
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 5, 2024 9:38:48 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders? That will need some guidance if it becomes a law. I would assume "IF UNFIT" would be up to your local CO. opinion.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2024 13:16:51 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders? That will need some guidance if it becomes a law. I would assume "IF UNFIT" would be up to your local CO. opinion. Yep..the final say so…
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2024 18:58:20 GMT -5
Who determines what is unfit for consumption? If it was only due to disease I would think it would be a little more detailed. Dog/yote damage? Recovery issues? Too many shots though the hams and shoulders? That will need some guidance if it becomes a law. I would assume "IF UNFIT" would be up to your local CO. opinion. No idea. Ico is pretty thin coverage. Don't we want them after poachers and trespassers? Just seems a weird proposal.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 5, 2024 19:41:45 GMT -5
I would assume "IF UNFIT" would be up to your local CO. opinion. No idea. Ico is pretty thin coverage. Don't we want them after poachers and trespassers? Just seems a weird proposal. I think it's more about deer with disease or one that has tested positive then you as consumers are out the money/tag and deer!
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2024 20:12:34 GMT -5
No idea. Ico is pretty thin coverage. Don't we want them after poachers and trespassers? Just seems a weird proposal. I think it's more about deer with disease or one that has tested positive then you as consumers are out the money/tag and deer! Right. It shouldn't be up to thinking and feeling. Should be spelled out.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 5, 2024 22:23:33 GMT -5
It's pretty vague I wouldn't want to be the co to act like wildlife biologist
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 6, 2024 11:25:43 GMT -5
It's pretty vague I wouldn't want to be the co to act like wildlife biologist JMO but I think the DNR are being proactive for when CWD is found in deer herd here. (Think some are over thinking this), I have shot deer that were left overnight and coyote's beat me to them. (I never tagged those deer, or reported them.) Think this verbiage is being added for diseased deer. JMO
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 6, 2024 11:56:34 GMT -5
It's pretty vague I wouldn't want to be the co to act like wildlife biologist JMO but I think the DNR are being proactive for when CWD is found in deer herd here. (Think some are over thinking this), I have shot deer that were left overnight and coyote's beat me to them. (I never tagged those deer, or reported them.) Think this verbiage is being added for diseased deer. JMO So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them?
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 6, 2024 12:29:01 GMT -5
JMO but I think the DNR are being proactive for when CWD is found in deer herd here. (Think some are over thinking this), I have shot deer that were left overnight and coyote's beat me to them. (I never tagged those deer, or reported them.) Think this verbiage is being added for diseased deer. JMO So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them? It is my understanding not tagging these deer is illegal. If someone shoots a buck and due to let's say a gut shot, long track, overnight and part of the next day before recovered. Coyotes and stomach matter spoiled everything. It would be illegal to posses or take the antlers of that animal without a legal tag being placed upon and 99.9% of hunters are going to tag it. An anterless deer changes nothing.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2024 12:44:30 GMT -5
JMO but I think the DNR are being proactive for when CWD is found in deer herd here. (Think some are over thinking this), I have shot deer that were left overnight and coyote's beat me to them. (I never tagged those deer, or reported them.) Think this verbiage is being added for diseased deer. JMO So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them? If you know with out doubt that you actually killed them not the coyotes them I say your obligated IMO you definitely wouldn’t want to remove antlers without a CO permission….
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 6, 2024 12:50:00 GMT -5
So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them? If you know with out doubt that you actually killed them not the coyotes them I say your obligated IMO you definitely wouldn’t want to remove antlers with CO permission…. I'd argue antlered or antlerless I'm calling it in and reporting. However I'm instructed to act I'm then doing. I'm never not doing anything, I tagged a spoiled doe one time.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 6, 2024 12:58:31 GMT -5
If you know with out doubt that you actually killed them not the coyotes them I say your obligated IMO you definitely wouldn’t want to remove antlers with CO permission…. I'd argue antlered or antlerless I'm calling it in and reporting. However I'm instructed to act I'm then doing. I'm never not doing anything, I tagged a spoiled doe one time. Yeah I would agree a call should be made…. I don’t believe Mike said anything about keeping any part of the Deer! If the deer is recovered at a later date most COs will give you a tag for it but that’s multiple days not overnight! Every situation is different usually….
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 6, 2024 13:14:41 GMT -5
So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them? It is my understanding not tagging these deer is illegal. If someone shoots a buck and due to let's say a gut shot, long track, overnight and part of the next day before recovered. Coyotes and stomach matter spoiled everything. It would be illegal to posses or take the antlers of that animal without a legal tag being placed upon and 99.9% of hunters are going to tag it. An anterless deer changes nothing. Actually it is a “temporary transportation tag”. Are you going to “transport” a 3/4 eaten and urinated on by the coyotes deer? Yes, to take a rack out of the field you need it to be tagged, immediate recovery or a dead head.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 6, 2024 13:46:12 GMT -5
JMO but I think the DNR are being proactive for when CWD is found in deer herd here. (Think some are over thinking this), I have shot deer that were left overnight and coyote's beat me to them. (I never tagged those deer, or reported them.) Think this verbiage is being added for diseased deer. JMO So you knowingly killed deer and didn’t tag due to coyotes getting them? I have had it happen twice. (Both doe's). Nothing left to tag, just hide and bones. No Reason to tag or report, certainly not 'Wanton Waste". Another time shot a doe, little back, waited a hour and then went to find with my dog. Found her , with 3 coyote's eating on her hindquarters. ( Cut my dog lose and he ran them off.) Called my local processer who would not process deer, ended up having a Amish processor do it, but only ended up with about 30 lbs. of meat. He cut off all the hindquarter and threw it away, I did tag that deer , since was able to salvage some of it.
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