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Post by cambygsp on Aug 6, 2005 7:51:16 GMT -5
For those of you that support or propose a seperate crossbow license....I would ask,
Do you also favor seperate license for ....
"traditional bows"
"modern bows"
"Hand Guns"
"Shotguns"
"In-Line's"
"Flintlocks"
"Caplocks"
If not, then WHY would you support a seperate crossbow license?
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Post by RiverJim on Aug 6, 2005 10:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 6, 2005 12:42:24 GMT -5
It looks general enough for here , Jim . Would Outdoor Related Legislation be a better choice ?
Since separate licenses for each weapon would automatically increase revenue and P-R monies I'd have to say it's not a bad idea so long as the money is set aside from the General Fund and the Legislature has no access to it . License revenue should go toward the support of the department which reduces the burden on the taxpayers .
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 6, 2005 17:00:10 GMT -5
let's try:
conventional bows
crossbow
gun
muzzleloader
then we can add spear a couple years down the road........
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Post by Indyhunter on Aug 6, 2005 22:18:32 GMT -5
Joe, you are simplifying for your own personal agenda. Muzzleloaders do not need a license in Firearm season (yet aren't a "firearm" per ATF definition). Inlines are to flintlocks as crossbows are to compounds (as close as today's compounds are to the recurve). Not THAT different.
I can also say that given the DNR's lack of $$, if a seperate license was needed I wouldn't have a problem with that. Wouldn't work since they can't get enough deer killed as things are, charging more $$ will not accomplish a thing.
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Post by jdmiller on Aug 6, 2005 23:19:11 GMT -5
Several states have just that . Tennessee has big game gun ... big game archery .... big game muzzleloading . These are seperate permits from the general hunting license . They have had this as long as I remember . I personally dont like their system but it would not be out of the question for another state to adopt it .
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 7, 2005 7:28:22 GMT -5
The crossbow license desire by some is just a smokescreen for their agenda.
That is to relegate crossbows to the season they are in now and keep them out of the early archery season.
PERIOD..
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 7, 2005 7:30:11 GMT -5
let's try: conventional bows crossbow gun muzzleloader then we can add spear a couple years down the road........ OK fair enough! Now explain WHY...... You know currently, we are required to use a "general firearm" tag to hunt with a muzzleloader during the "general firearms" portion of the deer season. Please explain "WHY" you beleive that needs changed. Also, if we enacted a early muzzleloader session during October, do you think it should require ANOTHER seperate license..."Early Mmuzzleloader".....like the "spring" and "fall" turkey license? |
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Post by jackryan on Aug 7, 2005 8:47:35 GMT -5
The crossbow license desire by some is just a smokescreen for their agenda. That is to relegate crossbows to the season they are in now and keep them out of the early archery season. PERIOD..All the smoke is coming from the crossbow industry and their patsys. It started years ago when they started bribing DNR personel in several states with free and discounted equipment and it continued with croc tears over the weapon with no season. It continued after they had a season for the weapons they bought before they had a use with the wailing and crying to shoot bucks. The agenda of the crossbow patsys has been the same all along, playing in to the cry babys who want to hunt in the early archery seasons with guns. They don't want to use a bow and arrow, they want to use a gun period. They'll never stop until there is no archery season because it's all full of people who wanted to hunt them but they don't want to use archery equipment. |
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 18:07:59 GMT -5
Woody?
What do you have to fear? You claim to have a weapon that hunters want to use, yet you are unwilling to use the State mandated process to see if HUNTERS want to use that weapon.
You taljk about a revenue yet you don't want a license for a weapon that is vastly different than others.
Why not come clean and say you fear the reaction of HOSSIER HUNTERS?
I know I can't say the word that would tell folks you would sell out hunters for your agenda....LMAO!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2005 18:31:20 GMT -5
Woody? What do you have to fear? You claim to have a weapon that hunters want to use, yet you are unwilling to use the State mandated process to see if HUNTERS want to use that weapon. WW- So we should just have a vote on everything that comes down the pike. Whatever all hunters want that is what we get? Just forget what hard decisons that the IDNR has to make to control and manage the herd? What a mess that would be.. You see part of the government's reponsibility is not only to listen to the majoprity, but also protect minority rights from being trampled by the majority. That is why we have a republic and not a true democracy. $24 is $24 no matter if the tag says archery or crossbow. A compound is "vastly different" than a recurve.. an in-line muzzleloader is "vastly different". than a flinter. A pistol is "vastly different" than a slug gun.. Should we have seperate tags for every concievable variation of weapon? But a compound and a recurve are both archery equipment as is the crossbow. The same as an in-line is a muzzleoader just like the flinnter. WW - See above.. While we are talking "coming clean" why do you not tell the folks why you insist on a license and then talk about a season?? The cat is out of the bag on that one, Joe. WW- And you are skating on very thin ice with that remark too.. Keep it up Joe and you will be history here - not a "threat" - a promise.. |
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 19:29:03 GMT -5
Woody:
I'll accept a license and let folks decide where season will be will you?
What else is it Woody? Archery hunters don't want crossbow in early archery season. You have a season, yet you are not satisfied. You and Camby have managed to receive a crossbow permit under Indiana law, yet you are not satisfied. The Indiana Deer Biologist is on record for not going further with the crossbow, but you CONTINUE to push your personal agenda(or that of the "Industry").
Your pay for the site .......... GIT R DONE............
I also don't fear your threats of a ban. We all know how to beat them.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2005 19:55:49 GMT -5
Any season does not belong to one ceratin group.
It belongs to whoever the IDNR says it does.
No, I'm not satisfied that hunters using a piece of archery equipment, that is no more efficient than archery equipment used by 93% of the archery hunters, are relegated to the tail end of the deer seasons after deer have been hounded for two solid months.
Things have changed since the "deer biologist" said that. In more ways than one. Lots of data out there that wasn't there before..
Joe,
I'm not here to play kids games with you. I don't come to your site and start a bunch of crap. Why do want to do that here?
If you want to discuss anything civily that can be done here. Read the rules, as that is what we will go by here.
It is the same for all.
If you cant abide by them then you should leave voluntarily.
I fully understand what you are saying about - "We all know how to beat them" and I guess we could play bounce the IP address till the cows come home..
Your choice..
Stay and be civil..
If you cant, then do the right thing and leave voluntarily like I did from your site.
If you cant do either it will be done for you. We ALL will abide by the rules of the Forum..
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 21:06:42 GMT -5
Woody: So what it comes down to is, it ISN'T about what sportsmen want, it ISN'T about what our biologists want. It is all about what a few want? You hate the OBR and it was approved by sportsmen participating, now you want a rule without sportsmen approval?  What do you want a "HITLER " regime? |
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 21:07:13 GMT -5
Does "Hitler" get me banned?
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Post by firehawk on Aug 8, 2005 21:31:24 GMT -5
Woody: So what it comes down to is, it ISN'T about what sportsmen want, it ISN'T about what our biologists want. It is all about what a few want? You hate the OBR and it was approved by sportsmen participating, now you want a rule without sportsmen approval? What do you want a "HITLER " regime? Woody, I know it's you're site, but why do you let this go on? Some have no intention of discussing topics with any maturity. For instance, the Hitler remark. What happened to civility, and the attitude of just "agree to disagree"? I'll say it again, unless a crossbow hunter runs in front of me as I'm about to trigger my release, and takes the animal I'm aiming at, what possible threat is he to me? |
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 8, 2005 21:50:09 GMT -5
Didn't that "SAME" biologists say "we don't need a one buck rule"....yet you continued didn't you Joe? WHY? ? Did you not feel that your cause was just?....Isn't that why you pursued it after the "biologist" said it was not needed....because you felt it was a "just cause"? Come on Joe, you call yourself "The President of the States Largest Deer Hunting Group"....why would you not support a group of deer hunters pursuing a cause they felt was "just"?...you should at least support the fact that these hunters are at least doing something.....You can not deny that what is being pursued as far as crossbows go would be a benefit to the herd and the management of such, .... A OBR opens alot of options, the crossbow in the early season is just one! I think it's a pretty well proven fact, with a OBR in effect, you should allow deer hunters as many days afield as possible so they can take their real sweet time choosing that special buck, and getting as many opportunities as possible to harvest antlerless deer. Your argument against the crossbow is strictly "social".......it is not based on any biological info or data. Should we also take a "vote" on who wants firearm opportunity in October???...How do you think that vote will turn out, and are you willing to accept those results? Joe, you posted something the other day about 59% of the deer hunters shooting archery and how much money deer hunters generate for the economy......was you making a "good" point or a "bad" point Joe? Would it not be "better" if those numbers were higher....more hunters and more money being generated? I just don't understand "why" the president of the states largest deer hunting group would degrade, and call fellow hunters names when those hunters are pursuing a cause they feel is just and benefits the overall health of the deer herd and the sport. We are talking about ***EXPANDING FAIR CHASE DEER HUNTING*** here Joe......are we really the enemy? |
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 8, 2005 22:01:34 GMT -5
JB said:
""You talk about a revenue yet you don't want a license for a weapon that is vastly different than others.""
Well.....it seems the crossbow is "archery enough" to be listed under the "archery forum" at HH.com???/lol lol
"A weapon vastly different "...?
Not what ALOT of outdoor writers are saying........have you ever read anything by C.J.....naww, forget it!
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 22:23:46 GMT -5
Kevin :
Nice try to bait me..........
My point is, HOOSIER hunters, the MAJORITY, don't want crossbow in early archery. The State deer biologist doesn't want it in early archery.
It is only a few folks that are pushing for it. those that want to be included as "archers" those that cheated the system to get a permit and those who are working for the crossbow industry.
I and others have stated for years, "give hunters the choice and we will abide by their decision", But that isn't acceptable, is it?
And just where is the additional "days" of opportunity? EVERY able bodied Hoosier is able to pick up a bow and hunt early archery. Every handicapped person is able to hunt with a crossbow in early archery. By your theory, let's just open the season from Oct 1 to ANY weapon, that will make it even correct?
Kevin your move...........
Do we open deer season Oct 1 and make ANY weapon legal? Shotgun, conventional archery,crossbow, pistol, muzzleloader?
Woody you can chime in.......... how about the opportunity? The Revenue?
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Post by jbwhttail on Aug 8, 2005 22:28:01 GMT -5
Kevin:
Let's get the comment correct:
Come on Joe, you call yourself "The President of the States Largest Deer Hunting Group"
That is your CONSTANT remark about me............ Find and post where I have ever started a post with that?
You continue to try the same ole tired tactic.......... take a hint from the Democrats position..........IT AINT WORKIN!!!
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