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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 11:55:51 GMT -5
Waterfowl hunters use blinds and the seasons overlap with gun deer hunting, those guys will not want orange on their blind.
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Post by rackmaster3194 on Aug 6, 2009 12:16:11 GMT -5
I agree. But I don't want to have to worry about getting shot, but I have to. No one law, rule or ideal is going to make every hunter happy or 100% safe. It's got to start with each and every hunter taking care of them selfs and making 100% sure of your target before pulling that trigger.
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Post by oldhoyt on Aug 6, 2009 12:29:36 GMT -5
For hunting from ground blinds when ornage is required, I do think the blind should be marked with some small amount of orange.
I don't think it's needed for elevated shooting houses or treestands, but the hunter using them should still wear it.
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 6, 2009 12:41:24 GMT -5
Waterfowl hunters use blinds and the seasons overlap with gun deer hunting, those guys will not want orange on their blind. One has to wonder.... is that the goal? Does the Indiana Deer Hunters Association want to keep waterfowlers out of their blinds during November? Do they want to keep predator callers at home as well? Given some of the other “Elitists” behavior we’ve seen in the past… I have to wonder if this isn’t their intention. Limit the opportunity for others, by imposing regulations that will not effect them specifically. As myself and others have said before: do we need to limit how high a hunter can climb in a stand? 18' falls are not nearly as dangerous as 30' falls. If the CO is already going to carry a tape measure to keep up with these "orange flags" why not institute a new law on stand-height? Folks are exponentially more likely to get hurt from a high treestand than any type of enclosed ground blind. Why not, because that would adversely effect the "core group" of the IDHA! Those 8-10 guys that railroad these topics probably hunt from a tree stand... so it's preposterous to think of legislating such a thing. Again, if you look at this logically it’s a simple fix. Hang an orange flag on your blind, tell your buddies too, teach your kids and advocate this information in Hunters Ed classes. LEGISLATING it is another thing entirely. Go ahead and tell them to wear a safety harness in a treestand, climb with an empty weapon, and never point a loaded weapon in an unsafe direction!!! These are good safe PRACTICES, no doubt. I almost choked on a Dorito when I read, “If it saves one life…” LOL! The rest of us, as open-minded sportsmen, need to look at these situations objectively and see if they are TRULY necessary to legislate. This orange flag idea would make a great “Safety Tip” for the IDNR Reg Book, but it’s a slippery slope when you start passing laws. In this day and age, it boggles my mind that these middle-aged men are sitting at home looking for ways to further restrict the opportunities of our future generations. And these are “Sportsmen” that probably consider themselves “Conservatives”. Unreal.
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Post by deerman1 on Aug 6, 2009 12:48:13 GMT -5
Yes I support it for times of the year that coinsides with any Deer Gun season due to the long range abilities of the weapon.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 6, 2009 12:56:39 GMT -5
Not at all, Woody is talking about a principle and resulting behaviors in an area - safety regulations.
As for the IDHA - anytime they stick their nose in something I'd recommend digging deeper to look for underlying issues.
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Post by birddog on Aug 6, 2009 12:57:44 GMT -5
deerman1...
I don't think that the range of the gun would have a thing to do with wearing orange..one reason shotguns,muzzleloaders,rifles,and pistols that are used these days to hunt deer are not just 100 yard shooting weapons,some if not most the bullet will carry for up to a mile in distance,wearing orange wouldn't help that shooter at all.I say if you got hit by a stray bullet at a very long range...well you were just having a very bad day!!!! Now of course at the nomnal shooting distance of either gun then yes I would say that the hunter orange is a very good thing but to put it on a tree stand,blind or whatever during archery season,turkey hunting,squirrel hunting or whatever is taking it a bit to far!!!!!! Now if a person just wants to wear hunter orange then that's entirely up to them......
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 6, 2009 12:59:49 GMT -5
Yep, PA's study pretty well debunked the short range idea didn't it.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 6, 2009 13:23:27 GMT -5
I don't see what some blaze on all sides of a blind would hurt during deer firearms season.
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Post by birddog on Aug 6, 2009 13:24:50 GMT -5
Maybe...just maybe if we educated the younger hunters as well as the old timers like myself about hunter safety a little more...maybe and just maybe then we'll see a down turn in people being either shot at unknowingly say as in turkey season ,but just saying YOU'VE GOT TO do something doesn't change a thing...heck look at drivers training..they tell the student you've got to do this and do that..then they get a drivers license and walla...hmmm who has the most accidents??? The younger drivers....
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Post by greghopper on Aug 6, 2009 13:25:35 GMT -5
Oh I guess one could "if" and "but" every rule...BUT...hunter orange has worked very well as is..so let's just leave it alone!!!!!!! Yep...It sure has, but some have found a NEW loophole in the rules!!!!! they wear there Hunter Orange when in field then get in there Blind where they become invisible to everyone but they are still within the rule they "have it on" ....remember the last Big Loophole we had in the rules??? it was the word "TAKE" and I think everyone knows How the Live Trapping people used that one.... .....We have moved to a new era in Hunting in which people hunt from blinds or shooting houses, rules need adjusted!!!! ...IMO
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2009 13:41:51 GMT -5
.................BTW we are talking Hunting not Industrial Safety ....apples & oranges Not really. I am talking about the making of and adhering to safety rules. Over the course of my careeer I have seen numerous times that there were attempts to make a new safety rule to cover everything under the sun. Quite a few were not related to safety at all and they tried to put them into place to take care of some labor and management problems. On the flip side there were times when the union side said that they could not do this, that or another because "there was a safety issue" when all they wanted was to either get out of some work, get extra help or extra pay. . So there are games played on both sides of the issue by sides who have agendas and the loser is actually safety itself. Safety rules are safety rules no matter what the subjects. Silly safety rules hurts the entire safety effort....Industrial or hunting..
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 6, 2009 13:45:44 GMT -5
Current requirements work for me. If some get their way it wont be long before we have to wear orange safety helmets and seat belts while in a treestand......geezzz give it a rest! h.h.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 6, 2009 14:05:06 GMT -5
If laws are going to be passed and practices changed in the name of "if we save one life" doesn't that open it up to outlaw hunting all together. In those terms we should also outlaw driving, air travel, trains, boats, fishing, and the list could go on forever.
I agree with marking a ground blind or area by a ground blind when times that orange is required. I do it and we teach it during our classes. Like the idea of spotlighting, this may be an idea geared toward one specific activity, but could adversely effect several others. Turkey and waterfowl see color and a big splotch of hunter orange isn't going ease either one into range.
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 6, 2009 14:19:29 GMT -5
DELETE - OFF TOPIC..
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Post by gundude on Aug 6, 2009 14:52:01 GMT -5
DELETE - OFF TOPIC..
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 6, 2009 15:34:03 GMT -5
Here we go again.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2009 15:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by gundude on Aug 6, 2009 15:38:12 GMT -5
All I did was ask for him to take his complaint to the source.. PERIOD!
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Post by duff on Aug 6, 2009 16:38:52 GMT -5
Good luck pushing that through and have it apply to all hunting too many other hunting situations where orange does not work as was pointed out waterfowl, turkey, fox/yotes. Woody makes some good points about bogus rules made in attempt to fit all applications.
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