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Post by greghopper on Aug 6, 2009 17:03:39 GMT -5
Good luck pushing that through and have it apply to all hunting too many other hunting situations where orange does not work as was pointed out waterfowl, turkey, fox/yotes. Woody makes some good points about bogus rules made in attempt to fit all applications. True....Iam sure the proposal is for the area of Hunting that already requires blaze Orange.......... I knew it was only a matter of time that the waters would get Muddied.........
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Post by duff on Aug 6, 2009 18:26:59 GMT -5
Yea I don't have a problem with it that way. I misunderstood your first few post then.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 6, 2009 20:07:45 GMT -5
I believe that a 2 foot square of blaze on each side of a deer blind would be good, Now for ducks or turkeys probably not. As there are not usually as many of them in one area. But then again I have a two fold reason for liking the idea of orange on blinds. One safety of those in the blind (especially after using branches etcetera to help hide the shape), secondly to help expose those that use the smaller one man blinds when they sneak into the area's that others have ladder stands.
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 6, 2009 20:35:47 GMT -5
One has to wonder.... is that the goal? Does the Indiana Deer Hunters Association want to keep waterfowlers out of their blinds during November? Do they want to keep predator callers at home as well? Given some of the other “Elitists” behavior we’ve seen in the past… I have to wonder if this isn’t their intention. Limit the opportunity for others, by imposing regulations that will not effect them specifically. As myself and others have said before: do we need to limit how high a hunter can climb in a stand? 18' falls are not nearly as dangerous as 30' falls. If the CO is already going to carry a tape measure to keep up with these "orange flags" why not institute a new law on stand-height? Folks are exponentially more likely to get hurt from a high treestand than any type of enclosed ground blind. Why not, because that would adversely effect the "core group" of the IDHA! Those 8-10 guys that railroad these topics probably hunt from a tree stand... so it's preposterous to think of legislating such a thing. Again, if you look at this logically it’s a simple fix. Hang an orange flag on your blind, tell your buddies too, teach your kids and advocate this information in Hunters Ed classes. LEGISLATING it is another thing entirely. Go ahead and tell them to wear a safety harness in a treestand, climb with an empty weapon, and never point a loaded weapon in an unsafe direction!!! These are good safe PRACTICES, no doubt. I almost choked on a Dorito when I read, “If it saves one life…” LOL! The rest of us, as open-minded sportsmen, need to look at these situations objectively and see if they are TRULY necessary to legislate. This orange flag idea would make a great “Safety Tip” for the IDNR Reg Book, but it’s a slippery slope when you start passing laws. In this day and age, it boggles my mind that these middle-aged men are sitting at home looking for ways to further restrict the opportunities of our future generations. And these are “Sportsmen” that probably consider themselves “Conservatives”. Unreal. All these rules and restrictions and shortening seasons everyone is trying to pass is absolutely insane. We are cutting our own throats. We should be working together to open up more opportunities. We are becoming our own worst enemies.
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Post by stevein on Aug 6, 2009 23:03:09 GMT -5
I answered yes. I think all hunters, hikers, bird watchers that are on the move on public ground where hunting is allowed should have orange on during firearms deer season. I do not think orange should be required in a tree stand, blind or shooting house on PRIVATE ground. I also feel some "hunting accidents" should be treated like the drunk drivers have been.
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 7, 2009 5:50:00 GMT -5
While we are at it I personally feel we should legislate the following:
"You must be at least 45 years of age to deer hunt so you have the wisdom and maturity to make sound decisions about your safety and the safety of others. A person should be totally clothed in orange so as to allow everyone in the county your hunting in and all the surrounding counties to see you, never mind we are only allowed to use 100 yard pea shooters as that's beside the point and as a responsible hunter you should know whats behind what and where your shooting. And even though you are 45 years old humans are by nature irresponsible idiots that can't make sound decisions about their safety so we need more big guberment legislation to protect us from ourselves. Gun season should only last ONE day and moved to Dec 31st so the bucks can reach their full antler potential and as an added bonus the government will spend less time and money protecting idiots from themselves. Again, we are by nature irresponsible idiots and we need this to protect us from ourselves and who better to do that but big guberment. After gun season muzzle loader season will last ONE day on Jan. 1st, again we want the bucks to reach maturity and full antler growth. Deer tag prices should be raised to $1000 US dollars because we all know people that can afford that price represent the core of wise old people who by nature are less irresponsible and less of an idiot than the young poor people who can't. An added bonus to this would be that people who did pay that much for a tag would appreciate it more and be more cautious than someone who can't and would require less oversight from our hard working DNR officers."
I plan on sending out the appropriate emails and show up at every meeting pushing this agenda because I'm sure I represent a "core" group of hunters and land owners.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 7, 2009 6:46:35 GMT -5
Don't know that it is necessary to make light of a safety issue. I've got a special point of view regarding orange due to the number of firearms trespassers I bust every year. I've been darn near shot by a road hunter, and walked up on by trespassers that didn't know my blind was there, they don't wear orange. I don't really see it as a personal freedom issue. I voted yes for some orange on a ground blind in firearms, just common sense.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 7, 2009 6:50:03 GMT -5
If hunter orange is required, then it SHOULD also be displayed on your blind.
Thats the rule I have always used when I use a blind, although now days that is only during gun season IF it is raining.
I thought I read somewhere that the hunter orange should be worn as the most outer layer.
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Post by birddog on Aug 7, 2009 7:19:22 GMT -5
I think that a far more important issue than hunter orange is a well trained hunter who has been well drilled in the safe use of firearms If that has been properly done hunter orange is not necessary.
Above is my feelings on hunter orange....end of conversation on this issue!!!!!!!
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Post by danf on Aug 7, 2009 8:07:26 GMT -5
I can understand that thought. However, when you can't otherwise see someone in the distance......... Not to mention, how many in this day and age are "well trained"??
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 7, 2009 8:14:46 GMT -5
While we are at it I personally feel we should legislate the following: "You must be at least 45 years of age to deer hunt so you have the wisdom and maturity to make sound decisions about your safety and the safety of others. A person should be totally clothed in orange so as to allow everyone in the county your hunting in and all the surrounding counties to see you, never mind we are only allowed to use 100 yard pea shooters as that's beside the point and as a responsible hunter you should know whats behind what and where your shooting. And even though you are 45 years old humans are by nature irresponsible idiots that can't make sound decisions about their safety so we need more big guberment legislation to protect us from ourselves. Gun season should only last ONE day and moved to Dec 31st so the bucks can reach their full antler potential and as an added bonus the government will spend less time and money protecting idiots from themselves. Again, we are by nature irresponsible idiots and we need this to protect us from ourselves and who better to do that but big guberment. After gun season muzzle loader season will last ONE day on Jan. 1st, again we want the bucks to reach maturity and full antler growth. Deer tag prices should be raised to $1000 US dollars because we all know people that can afford that price represent the core of wise old people who by nature are less irresponsible and less of an idiot than the young poor people who can't. An added bonus to this would be that people who did pay that much for a tag would appreciate it more and be more cautious than someone who can't and would require less oversight from our hard working DNR officers." I plan on sending out the appropriate emails and show up at every meeting pushing this agenda because I'm sure I represent a "core" group of hunters and land owners. Now that is funny! ;D h.h.
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Post by racktracker on Aug 7, 2009 9:15:00 GMT -5
While we are at it I personally feel we should legislate the following: "You must be at least 45 years of age to deer hunt so you have the wisdom and maturity to make sound decisions about your safety and the safety of others. A person should be totally clothed in orange so as to allow everyone in the county your hunting in and all the surrounding counties to see you, never mind we are only allowed to use 100 yard pea shooters as that's beside the point and as a responsible hunter you should know whats behind what and where your shooting. And even though you are 45 years old humans are by nature irresponsible idiots that can't make sound decisions about their safety so we need more big guberment legislation to protect us from ourselves. Gun season should only last ONE day and moved to Dec 31st so the bucks can reach their full antler potential and as an added bonus the government will spend less time and money protecting idiots from themselves. Again, we are by nature irresponsible idiots and we need this to protect us from ourselves and who better to do that but big guberment. After gun season muzzle loader season will last ONE day on Jan. 1st, again we want the bucks to reach maturity and full antler growth. Deer tag prices should be raised to $1000 US dollars because we all know people that can afford that price represent the core of wise old people who by nature are less irresponsible and less of an idiot than the young poor people who can't. An added bonus to this would be that people who did pay that much for a tag would appreciate it more and be more cautious than someone who can't and would require less oversight from our hard working DNR officers." I plan on sending out the appropriate emails and show up at every meeting pushing this agenda because I'm sure I represent a "core" group of hunters and land owners. Can be part of your "core group"? "Core groups" seems to be the rage these days. Sounds to me that a few "core group" mucky mucks on top of the ladder are making decisions for the entire group. Easier that way, I guess.
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Post by gundude on Aug 7, 2009 9:18:18 GMT -5
DELETE
If you have a question on how this forum is run then PM me or one of the moderators.
You know that don't you?
WW
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Post by gundude on Aug 7, 2009 10:44:07 GMT -5
As it should be.... OK if anyone wants to find out who the "core group" is and how they can contact them and let them know WHAT YOU THINK.. Send me a PM and I will try and help make that happen........
Now the topic at hand is Hunter Orange. debate on......
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 7, 2009 18:43:24 GMT -5
If hunter orange is required, then it SHOULD also be displayed on your blind. Thats the rule I have always used when I use a blind, although now days that is only during gun season IF it is raining. I thought I read somewhere that the hunter orange should be worn as the most outer layer. I don't have a problem with wearing orange or marking my blind where it can been seen by others during firearm/muzzle loader season. My point is it doesn't need to be legislated. Jeebus we have enough rules to live by now. If your stupid enough to get in a blind without marking it and you get shot then it's your own darn fault, it's called the law of natural selection and it actually serves to improve the species. If we legislated every single thing someone thinks is a great idea or common sense soon we won't be able to move without a note signed by our mother, the governor, one state level legislator, two US senators and a proctologist [sp] of your choice. Heck it's confusing enough trying to decipher how many anterless deer you can kill with what license/tag. At least they legislated and made the number of bucks you can kill per year real easy, ONE. I don't really see a need to add more confusion or rules to the mix.
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Post by wileyonetoo on Aug 7, 2009 21:37:10 GMT -5
My hunting buddy and I debated this very topic last year. I was for having orange on the blind during firearm season, he didn't see the need. I hung some blaze orange in a tree next to my blind. I do not have any orange on my blind during early archery.
Personally, I think everyone should look at their own situation and make the call. We have some lead slingers to the south of us that empty their slug guns on about every deer you see run their way. With them being within range, I would prefer that they know I'm there. Unfortunately, it may not matter with them.
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 8, 2009 13:38:57 GMT -5
Question... how many hunters have been accidentally shot by another hunter while sitting in a blind in Indiana? h.h.
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Post by swilk on Aug 8, 2009 14:07:23 GMT -5
define "accidentally" .....
I put orange on top of my blind during deer season because I dont want to get shot ... accidentally or otherwise. I dont need a regulation to teach me common sense.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 8, 2009 14:13:54 GMT -5
Question... how many hunters have been accidentally shot by another hunter while sitting in a blind in Indiana? h.h. How many does it take to justify a change? ... or should we wait on the ....“Tombstone Technology" theroy... when there are enough tombstones the technology gets fixed or changed
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 8, 2009 14:33:53 GMT -5
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin 1759
The essential liberty you lose by legislating something like this is the freedom to think and to make up your own mind about the situation or the risk involved. The freedom to think and to make up our own minds about our safety, our lifestyle or whatever else you want to plug in here is one of our very basic freedoms that is increasingly being taken away with all these feel good OMG we saved another life laws being passed in what seems like a daily fashion. Another example would be the seat belt law or some anti smoking laws. Common sense tells you that smoking will probably kill you or that wearing a seatbelt probably helps you if you were to crash but it's truly none of the states business if you are harming no one but yourself. If you are sitting in a unmarked blind you are harming no one except essentially yourself if something terrible would happen. That means it's none of my business or the states business what you do or the risk you choose to take.
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