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Post by vortex100 on Oct 15, 2009 18:52:13 GMT -5
I think we are all just terrible hunters!!! LOL ;D
The big deer are here and the deer hunting is only getting better in this state. Kentucky this, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin that. So to say that we don't have the potential to grow big bucks makes no sense at all. All of these states do surround Indiana.
Maybe we need a better method of recording P&Y & B&C class deer in Indiana. I've already seen 1 deer in Muncie that is a booner and one in southern IN that is a booner shot this year.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 15, 2009 18:58:38 GMT -5
meh, done with it on here. I like the site, otherwise. Done ....cakes get Done people get Finished... ;D You know we could always get some NEW soil Trucked in from another state ... that would make a new twist to manging the Herd!!!!!!!!! What state should we order from? ... that is the real question!!!! I'll put in a vote for Iowa, otherwise just stick with my less than poor ground here
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Post by deerman1 on Oct 15, 2009 19:11:17 GMT -5
I am camp A also and agree with several here .A handful of 190 class deer dose not put your state at the top of the deer food chain IMHO. As woody said we have one hodge podge deer herd that now at this time is likely mixed with the original 3 herds that were restocked and then mixed with the other subspecies of deer that inhabit the states next to us .Like all animals pure breed animals tend to be far superior in every way than mutt mixtures as far as conformation goes.I also am a follower of the soil/minerals and genetics thing as well.
Also 1/3 of the central part of the state is covered with roads that are usually 1/2 mile apart and woods that have been cut back for crops or has houses in them .Large land holdings with great deer habitat is a rare thing much north of Brown county . Then the northern part of the state opens up to 1 square mile blocks for the most part.
We will never be successful IMO at mass state wide mandate attempts at trophy deer management .That is something that should be left for those who have the landholdings and recourses and will power to attempt it on a much smaller and personal scale. This state is not on the same scale and a head to head comparison to say Wi, IL,OH would be unrealistic. We need to make the best of what we do have .
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Post by gundude on Oct 15, 2009 19:18:47 GMT -5
Bucks will be bigger in Indiana when the OBR is gone and we can hunt year round with a crossbow!
Plenty of great bucks in this state you just have to work for them
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Post by gundude on Oct 15, 2009 19:29:09 GMT -5
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Post by deerman1 on Oct 15, 2009 19:41:38 GMT -5
Yes there are some great deer here but this discussion is more revolving around top end typical if I am not mistaken and were are not exactly overrun with top enders .Sure we have several 130-160 deer but nothing in comparison to the the other states listed . BTW nice deer but those are very rare .
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Post by gundude on Oct 15, 2009 20:55:27 GMT -5
ALL of the big ones are rare..............Unless you hunt behind a fence.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 16, 2009 5:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by tickman1961 on Oct 16, 2009 7:20:21 GMT -5
That's a beauty...deer like that are rarely seen but I'm not sure that means they are rare in this state.
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Post by southpawshooter on Oct 16, 2009 8:12:22 GMT -5
I dont know much about this subject but one question goes through my mind is that the numbers are calculated by harvested deer.those numbers dont tell you what is actually out there.factor in land that cant be hunted and what is spotted on that land. i have heard that 90 percent of indiana land is private property. compared to much smaller numbers in other states. big boys stay were they arent pressured and i have seen many big bucks in indiana on non huntable land
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Post by bschwein on Oct 16, 2009 8:40:56 GMT -5
I think the state could do a better job at managing for bigger more mature deer in this state if they want to. I'm just not sure they want to! I don't know if we can actually run side by side with say, Iowa or Wisconsin, but I do believe there are improvements/changes that could be made to improve what we have now!
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Post by drs on Oct 16, 2009 8:55:44 GMT -5
I think the state could do a better job at managing for bigger more mature deer in this state if they want to. I'm just not sure they want to! I don't know if we can actually run side by side with say, Iowa or Wisconsin, but I do believe there are improvements/changes that could be made to improve what we have now! If there is to be any good Deer hunting in Indiana, then they will have to stop destroying valuable wildlife habitat. Building I-69 won't help matters any and also the developments that spring up in it's path. Every year countless acres of habitat is turned into housing subdivisions, industrial parks, and shoping malls.
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Post by duff on Oct 16, 2009 9:47:06 GMT -5
We are in the freaking top 10 in many categories. You guys won't be happy until we are #1 in everything...There are plenty of big deer killed EVERY year and yet because you all can't see one every time out you want to blame this or that for not having big deer.
I say we stop hunting bucks period for the next 3 years then after that put it on a system to limit the buck hunters. Lets say if your SSN ends in an even number you get a CHANCE to draw for a buck tag on even years. This should please you big buck guys and bring the book bucks up to your standard. Of course we'd have to increase the buck tag price to make up for the loss of revinue and charge a small fee to enter the draw. Lets get serious about buck/antler management.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Oct 16, 2009 10:27:21 GMT -5
I think one of the major differences between the states also has to do with the fact that there arent many if any "managed" areas in Indiana. I have friends that have went to Iowa and Illinois on ranches. Ranchers that manage the deer herd all year round. I have never heard of a guy going on a guided hunt on some big ranch in Indiana. I think if there were areas of true management that Indiana would have the potential to produce record bucks. But opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one and they all stink. lmao
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Post by Decatur on Oct 16, 2009 10:28:22 GMT -5
Love the Sarcasm Duff! That's how I feel. Why can't we just be DEER hunters? Why is it if you don't kill a big one, something needs to change? I'll tell you what needs to change, the amount of time, and the intensity in which you pursue big bucks! THAT'S what it takes to get one! Just how special is your next big buck going to be if 5 out of 10 hunters kill a big one every year? Big bucks used to be special to me because they were few and far between, and the guys that got them consistently had earned them. Now, they are becoming kind of common, and the specialness is eroding quickly. What a shame.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 19, 2009 11:11:18 GMT -5
Love the Sarcasm Duff! That's how I feel. Why can't we just be DEER hunters? Why is it if you don't kill a big one, something needs to change? I'll tell you what needs to change, the amount of time, and the intensity in which you pursue big bucks! THAT'S what it takes to get one! Just how special is your next big buck going to be if 5 out of 10 hunters kill a big one every year? Big bucks used to be special to me because they were few and far between, and the guys that got them consistently had earned them. Now, they are becoming kind of common, and the specialness is eroding quickly. What a shame. I Agree 110%!!!! Hunters fail to realize that the reason they don't see/kill big bucks is because of poor hunting tactics and no work ethic..IMO...but i like to stir the pot....right IB?
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Post by indianaboy on Oct 19, 2009 23:24:15 GMT -5
Love the Sarcasm Duff! That's how I feel. Why can't we just be DEER hunters? Why is it if you don't kill a big one, something needs to change? I'll tell you what needs to change, the amount of time, and the intensity in which you pursue big bucks! THAT'S what it takes to get one! Just how special is your next big buck going to be if 5 out of 10 hunters kill a big one every year? Big bucks used to be special to me because they were few and far between, and the guys that got them consistently had earned them. Now, they are becoming kind of common, and the specialness is eroding quickly. What a shame. I Agree 110%!!!! Hunters fail to realize that the reason they don't see/kill big bucks is because of poor hunting tactics and no work ethic..IMO...but i like to stir the pot....right IB? On occasion!LOL But I definitely agree with this. Some places just dont have big deer and wont have big deer unless you do something to change it by creating bedding areas or supply them with some sort of food source. But if you only make it to the woods a hand full of times a year dont count on shooting a mature buck. Yes you can get lucky or you may have the best property there is but for the norm its not going to happen. Whitetails are 24/7 365 for me. I expect to kill a big deer every year with the amount of time I put into it. The hard work will pay off.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 20, 2009 11:01:53 GMT -5
that's true..work hard and most times it will happen..My experience tells me the guys killing mature bucks consistently every year are the ones working harder at it...and hunting every chance they get, runnig cameras year round, scouting all summer, hanging stands, planting food plots etc....Work ethic..some aren't willing to work that hard for a nice deer and complain cause it's not easier to kill a big buck...lol.....I don;t care how many deer we get here, it's never easy to harvest a Big Buck..Hunt hard and it will happen...
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 20, 2009 11:13:46 GMT -5
Most of the real mature buck hunting experts ( Keller, Rotharr, etc.) and deer bioloigist (that specialize in managing large tracts of lands) that I have talked to say that a mature buck is a TOTALLY different animal than the younge bucks. So much that they can almost be considered a seperate sub-species. The main reason that they are not getting bumped off with the same regularity as the younger bucks is that they are TOUGHER TO HUNT.I agree with ridgerunner in that the harder I hunt the "luckier" I get.
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Post by vortex100 on Oct 20, 2009 20:43:31 GMT -5
So who has seen the pictures of the 193 inch typical shot in Kosciusko county OCT 17th? 2 points away from the state record.
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