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Post by Decatur on Oct 23, 2009 8:41:43 GMT -5
I'm just glad I'm old enough to have hunted in the "good old days" when there was plenty of deer and no one really worried about "making the book". It was more about the hunt and having fun and a lot less about those pesky antlers. The future of our sport don't appear to bode so well. I'm glad about two things, one I'm getting older and I won't have to worry to long about you all screwing it up more than what you already have and two I'm getting more financially independent and if you screw it up to bad I'll just take my money and spend it in Canada hunting deer and other things. a proper age structure of bucks. What is the "proper age structure", and who says we need one?! I agree with Mrfixit all the way!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 9:32:43 GMT -5
I don't know anyone that "worries" about making the book, but I do know a lot that are happy when they do or get close. I've never actually known anyone that didn't like shooting good bucks, I've heard of them, but never met one yet.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 23, 2009 10:44:21 GMT -5
I'm not "pigeon holing" anyone. I just feel this "antler worship" is a very short sided policy to adopt. Imagine what will happen if Indiana ever does become #1 for B&C or P&Y bucks. Within a few years more than half on this board will lose their free prime hunting spots to out of state leasors or rich folks buying up all the available hunting ground just to lease. You truly don't believe things will remain halfway the same and you won't be affected to you? We are in the top ten in both categories and we don't have all that nonsense. When all the prime ground becomes lease only and there is nothing left but scrub brush to hunt the number of hunters will drop by half or more and the state will be forced to raise the price of tags further discouraging hunters that aren't as well off and then the number of hunters will drop further. I could go on and on to how this policy will eventually impact your grand childrens 2nd amendment rights. Take a look at Europe, only the rich hunt and own guns. That will be us in less than a hundred years. I'm not sure what antler worship is. It isn't about me, it is about what the hunters of Indiana want, as it should be. No, I or my children don't have to worry about losing ground to leasing because I have insured that it won't happen. Like I said, it will be about what the hunters want. Either way, doesn't affect me much, but I don't like the false comments or derogatory terms.
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 23, 2009 12:53:26 GMT -5
So lets presume you have taken care of of things and your children won't have to worry. That would mean you own at least several thousand acres or more of ground now at the present and you have some sort of trust fund set up to keep the taxes paid for as long as your children and grand children own the property. Congratulations on living the American Dream. That would also mean you have the means to manage the state taxpayers deer on your property. Again, Congratulations!!!!! Now I ask, what the heck does it matter to you and why are you wanting to take freedoms and opportunities away from those less fortunate?
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Post by racktracker on Oct 23, 2009 13:42:08 GMT -5
No, we don't want to get into voting what we (as hunters) want and dont want. Most will vote for what is best for them and forget the others.
We have to be very careful about "what the hunters want". If a specific group of hunters, say gun hunters, wants to hunt the late October and early November time, instead of getting shoved into December as some wants, what is to keep them from doing it? Going by what you say "what the hunters want" all they need is to show up and/or give more input versus the other hunters - in this case bowhunters. Majority rules, right? It is "what the hunters want", right?. Hunting should be NOT be all about "what the hunters want".
THEN - We also have to consider that the wildlife in Indiana does not just belong to the hunters. They belong to everyone. Does everyone get a vote in this too?
Managing game and setting seasons should never be a majority rules. IOW - the minority should not be bull dozed.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 23, 2009 16:22:27 GMT -5
So lets presume you have taken care of of things and your children won't have to worry. That would mean you own at least several thousand acres or more of ground now at the present and you have some sort of trust fund set up to keep the taxes paid for as long as your children and grand children own the property. Congratulations on living the American Dream. That would also mean you have the means to manage the state taxpayers deer on your property. Again, Congratulations!!!!! Now I ask, what the heck does it matter to you and why are you wanting to take freedoms and opportunities away from those less fortunate? I take other people less fortunate than me hunting. You got me all wrong but I see your point of view. I don't like the amount of ground I am seeing bought or leased up to reduce the gun pressure, that is your vicious circle, figure it out. Trophy hunters with the means find their way around it, or hunt elsewhere. Think about it a little before you post again.
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 23, 2009 20:31:22 GMT -5
I see your vicious circle. Why encourage state management that does nothing but limit what opportunity that is left just to speed up the inevitable? We will get there soon enough without any encouragement us the hunters or from the state. But your right it's coming and probably sooner than most here want to admit.
Another point to make is right now Indiana ranks 5th and 6th so the booners and the freak nasties are out there. I've seen several of them and I've killed one or two. I sorta like the fact it took me 20+ years to find those several I've seen and the few I've killed. If there was one behind every tree or one killed every year then they wouldn't be so special, it would sorta cheapen the experience each one of them brought or taught me. Now I look at the rack and I remember the hours I spent sitting in a stand or fallen tree and what I had to do to get close enough or to fool them just enough to get the shot. The ones I missed I remember what I done to screw that one chance up. I remember all the highs and the lows and the emotional roller coaster. If there was booners behind every tree then it I would only have the memory of walking to my stand and then killing it as it walked by. Thanks but No Thanks.
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Post by vortex100 on Oct 26, 2009 19:23:52 GMT -5
I'm an antler worshiper and a slick head killer!
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