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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 20, 2009 20:51:12 GMT -5
So who has seen the pictures of the 193 inch typical shot in Kosciusko county OCT 17th? 2 points away from the state record. Yes... It was on Archery Talk. Of course this is a green score. so who knows? Excellent deer for sure..
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Post by Decatur on Oct 20, 2009 21:00:09 GMT -5
Nice!
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Post by indianaboy on Oct 21, 2009 4:09:19 GMT -5
That is a hog!!! I think after drying time and that score being Gross score it wont come nearly as close to the record. He will have probably 5-7" of deductions that are very noticable. The kicker on the G2 and the noticable diffence in the G4's. I honestly hate Net score but thats what goes in the books.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 21, 2009 6:46:41 GMT -5
Hunt hard & smart in the right places at the right times & a bit of luck..........
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Post by duff on Oct 21, 2009 16:51:26 GMT -5
That is a hog!!! I think after drying time and that score being Gross score it wont come nearly as close to the record. He will have probably 5-7" of deductions that are very noticable. The kicker on the G2 and the noticable diffence in the G4's. I honestly hate Net score but thats what goes in the books. That's why I can't stand scores period. I couldn't tell you how close or far it would be top deer ever killed in Indiana. However I and dang near everyone around can tell it is a once in a lifetime or four type of deer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 0:47:46 GMT -5
one reason that illonois has always been a proven big buck state is that their gun season is way shorter than indiana or ky. they have 7 days split up into a 3 and a 4 day hunt and a 3 or 4 day muzzle loader season. indiana has one week for muzzle loader and 3 weeks for shotgun. ky has an early 2 day muzzle loader then three weeks of rifle and then another week of muzzle loader. with a shorter gun season there are less 21/2 and 31/2 year old deer killed so the maturity rate is better. their are also more trophy outfitters in both ky and ill that only shoot trophy bucks. one sure fire way to make indiana better is to put a 15" size limit in effect ky has it on allmost all their wildlife management areas and also put out a poll about doing the same statewide
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 22, 2009 5:27:50 GMT -5
I think we should lengthen the gun/muzzleloader season. If we lengthened it then peoeple wouldn't feel so darn rushed to kill a buck and they wouldn't kill the first thing they saw walk by. Now with only three weekends of gun squeezed right in with one of the busiest family holidays everyone is in such a freakin hurry they just kill the first buck they see. Then along comes muzzleloader for three weeks right before Christmas and all the family things that happen during that time people just don't have time to spend in the woods. So I think everyone is looking at this problem all wrong, give people more time to hunt properly and you will have less immature bucks killed.
Give people more opportunity rather than limit what we already have.
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Post by tickman1961 on Oct 22, 2009 10:12:05 GMT -5
So who has seen the pictures of the 193 inch typical shot in Kosciusko county OCT 17th? 2 points away from the state record. Yes... It was on Archery Talk. Of course this is a green score. so who knows? Excellent deer for sure.. Wow.....beautiful beast, wonder how old that buck is?
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Post by oneshot on Oct 22, 2009 10:55:40 GMT -5
After having read all the replys to this topic I voted "Management only". Why does Il. and Iowa have big bucks,........ limited firearm seasons, and not during the peak of the rut when bucks are most active on their hooves during daylight hours. Also in the state of Il. you put in for a firearms draw in the county of your choice. Unlike In. which has a state wide permit good for 16 straight days, then there is a week "cooling off" period and BANG! another 16 straight days of muzzleloader season. In. has the most LIBERAL firearm season in the midwest. Most deer go Nocturnal after being chased with firearms after a couple days. I think the genetics and soil conditions etc. are there for bigger deer but the 32 days of gun hunting limits that potential. Now on another note IF we had big deer like Il. Oh. Ia. and Wis. then we would have a new set of problems to deal with like outfitters leasing or buying all the limited land that is there..... for their hunting operations. But thats a topic for another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 12:00:37 GMT -5
Your theory is flawed....if you look at numbers Illinois kills more bucks than does Indiana, and not all of them are trophy quality just like Indiana. Illinois does hunt the rut, just like most other states do. The rut is a fairly long period of time. There is a couple of peak periods of teh rut, but Illinois deer are hunted during one of them.....just like other states. I don't see much difference in deer quality from one state to the other in places where folks lay off of the small bucks. The more people do so, the better the chance of seeing bigger bucks. In a wild state, it's mostly about age. It's generally the only part of the "needs" catagory that hunters can supply.
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Post by buster on Oct 22, 2009 13:39:12 GMT -5
After having read all the replys to this topic I voted "Management only". Why does Il. and Iowa have big bucks,........ limited firearm seasons, and not during the peak of the rut when bucks are most active on their hooves during daylight hours. Also in the state of Il. you put in for a firearms draw in the county of your choice. Unlike In. which has a state wide permit good for 16 straight days, then there is a week "cooling off" period and BANG! another 16 straight days of muzzleloader season. In. has the most LIBERAL firearm season in the midwest. Most deer go Nocturnal after being chased with firearms after a couple days. I think the genetics and soil conditions etc. are there for bigger deer but the 32 days of gun hunting limits that potential. Now on another note IF we had big deer like Il. Oh. Ia. and Wis. then we would have a new set of problems to deal with like outfitters leasing or buying all the limited land that is there..... for their hunting operations. But thats a topic for another thread. EXACTLY!! I too believe it is mainly due to our long gun/ML seasons and because the beginning of gun season occuring during peak rut. The leasing IS a problem in IN, but only in certain counties. Parke Co., for instance, is leased to death. Many from out of state. I've already seen hunters from GA, AL, IL, PA, KY, OH that have checked deer in here in Parke County this year so far. Same with some of the other top Big Buck counties here in the state. Look at the list that was listed, they are leased to pieces. Count your lucky stars if its not a problem in your area....its coming!
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Post by js2397 on Oct 22, 2009 14:17:41 GMT -5
Indiana will never ever be able to produce the same amount of B&C deer as some of the other states. The reason is Indiana does not have as big of a herd as the other states. When you look at B&C deer pper square mile and B&C deer as a percentage of the population Indiana is in the top five or six in those categories. There no amount of manging that could allow there to be more deer in the state. We are doing a near perfect job managing for trophies and opportunities.
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Post by tickman1961 on Oct 22, 2009 14:30:18 GMT -5
Indiana will never ever be able to produce the same amount of B&C deer as some of the other states. The reason is Indiana does not have as big of a herd as the other states. When you look at B&C deer pper square mile and B&C deer as a percentage of the population Indiana is in the top five or six in those categories. There no amount of manging that could allow there to be more deer in the state. We are doing a near perfect job managing for trophies and opportunities. In reality many B&C (elitists) deer are never registered by the hunter and the herd could be managed better for trophies by reducing access via number of days and timing of firearm hunts.
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Post by oneshot on Oct 22, 2009 18:21:34 GMT -5
Your theory is flawed....if you look at numbers Illinois kills more bucks than does Indiana, and not all of them are trophy quality just like Indiana. Illinois does hunt the rut, just like most other states do. The rut is a fairly long period of time. There is a couple of peak periods of teh rut, but Illinois deer are hunted during one of them.....just like other states. I don't see much difference in deer quality from one state to the other in places where folks lay off of the small bucks. The more people do so, the better the chance of seeing bigger bucks. In a wild state, it's mostly about age. It's generally the only part of the "needs" catagory that hunters can supply. If you would re-read my post you will see that I clearly said "the Peak of the rut". I agree with "laying off small bucks", heck I now pass on 140" deer because I have killed bigger. I still stand by the theory that In. has a VERY LIBERAL GUN season that causes pressured deer to go nocturnal. Il. by the way favors bowhunting not firearm hunting. Big difference in the kill ratio. Killing deer is way easier with a bang stick, as opposed to a bent stick. Oneshot,
I moved your reply out of the the quote box so it was more readable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 19:49:25 GMT -5
Well....if they go nocturnal then the lenght of the gun season will have no effect, as will the timing of the gun season. You can't kill them at night. So, in that respect, the longer gun season saves more deer than a shorter one like Illinois
Illinois kills plenty with guns. Verify it with the numbers. they just get it done in less days. the end result is the same. Some deer go nocturnal there as well. It's the nature of the beast to do so.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 22, 2009 21:01:43 GMT -5
Plus, by shortening our gun season, it will turn it in to the mad house Buckeyes have to deal with now. No thanks!
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Post by duff on Oct 22, 2009 21:15:50 GMT -5
Grass is always greener on the other side. The old saying about a supermodels boyfriend/husband is getting sick of her at some point even though there are millions that would love to change spots with him....You all need to get out and hunt the supermodels you have creeping though your woods and stop being concerned about IL or OH deer. That is unless you hunt there.
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 23, 2009 5:21:30 GMT -5
I'm just glad I'm old enough to have hunted in the "good old days" when there was plenty of deer and no one really worried about "making the book". It was more about the hunt and having fun and a lot less about those pesky antlers. The future of our sport don't appear to bode so well. I'm glad about two things, one I'm getting older and I won't have to worry to long about you all screwing it up more than what you already have and two I'm getting more financially independent and if you screw it up to bad I'll just take my money and spend it in Canada hunting deer and other things.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 23, 2009 7:18:51 GMT -5
I'm just glad I'm old enough to have hunted in the "good old days" when there was plenty of deer and no one really worried about "making the book". It was more about the hunt and having fun and a lot less about those pesky antlers. The future of our sport don't appear to bode so well. I'm glad about two things, one I'm getting older and I won't have to worry to long about you all screwing it up more than what you already have and two I'm getting more financially independent and if you screw it up to bad I'll just take my money and spend it in Canada hunting deer and other things. No need to pigeonhole hunters that like pesky antlers, they are out there to have fun, the hunt is even more fun when proper management produces some opportunities at a proper age structure of bucks. BTW, alot of our hunters go to areas like Canada to get that kind of hunting, because they don't have a large enough amount of ground here to manage around the gun season. It is all in what you want.
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 23, 2009 8:19:53 GMT -5
I'm not "pigeon holing" anyone. I just feel this "antler worship" is a very short sided policy to adopt. Imagine what will happen if Indiana ever does become #1 for B&C or P&Y bucks. Within a few years more than half on this board will lose their free prime hunting spots to out of state leasors or rich folks buying up all the available hunting ground just to lease. You truly don't believe things will remain halfway the same and you won't be affected to you? We are in the top ten in both categories and we don't have all that nonsense. When all the prime ground becomes lease only and there is nothing left but scrub brush to hunt the number of hunters will drop by half or more and the state will be forced to raise the price of tags further discouraging hunters that aren't as well off and then the number of hunters will drop further.
I could go on and on to how this policy will eventually impact your grand childrens 2nd amendment rights. Take a look at Europe, only the rich hunt and own guns. That will be us in less than a hundred years.
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