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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 30, 2010 8:44:51 GMT -5
Livingston Kentucky man charged with illegally killing 34 deer, 2 turkeys
By Patrick Sullivan - psullivan@herald-leader.com
A Livingston County man was arrested Tuesday in a Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources raid, according to a release from the department.
David Ray, 32, was charged with 36 counts of illegally taking deer or wild turkey. Conservation officers serving a search warrant on Ray's property in Smithland found 34 deer heads and two wild turkeys that appeared to have been killed in 2009.
The turkeys were found in Ray's freezer, while the deer heads were found in a freezer in an outbuilding, truck and house. According to the release, 24 of the deer were still in the velvet, which means they were not fully grown.
In 1995, Ray lost his hunting privileges for a year, forfeited hunting equipment, and paid a $500 fine after an illegal taking conviction.
Penalties for each illegally taken deer or turkey include up to $1,000 in fines, one year in jail, or both; loss of hunting privileges for up to three years; and forfeiture of hunting equipment.
Ray could also have to pay replacement costs for the animals, which include $753 for each deer and $563 for each wild turkey.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 30, 2010 9:05:21 GMT -5
"24 of the deer were still in the velvet, which means they were not fully grown."
I found that amusing....the media can be so naive
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Post by drs on Jan 30, 2010 9:25:19 GMT -5
This Poacher commited a crime WITH a firearm. Therefore he should NEVER be allowed to own or even touch a firearm again for the rest of his life!!  |
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Post by Decatur on Jan 30, 2010 9:45:03 GMT -5
He obviously didn't learn his lesson the first time, and should spend time in the grey bar hotel, but he won't, they never do. |
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Post by parson on Jan 30, 2010 10:30:54 GMT -5
Poor fella likely has an addiction. A "recovery group" funded by many, many tax dollars might get him back on the straight & narrow. Perhaps him & Tiger could collaborate on a book.
Obviously, tongue in cheek, but i don't think that I'd be too surprised to see such a thing. It's a wacky world!
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Post by mrfixit on Jan 30, 2010 10:57:35 GMT -5
This Poacher commited a crime WITH a firearm. Therefore he should NEVER be allowed to own or even touch a firearm again for the rest of his life!! Yea boy let's teach him a lesson. He should never ever be allowed to defend himself against another person or a tyrannical government. Let's cheapen the Second Amendment and make it easier to disarm ourselves. Not trying to hijack the thread or start something, just making an observation ya know, just sayin'! |
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Post by drs on Jan 30, 2010 11:48:35 GMT -5
Yea boy let's teach him a lesson. He should never ever be allowed to defend himself against another person or a tyrannical government. Let's cheapen the Second Amendment and make it easier to disarm ourselves. Not trying to hijack the thread or start something, just making an observation ya know, just sayin'! No, He SHOULD loose his right to own a firearm (If the Gun Laws have any teeth!) This Poacher is a CRIMINAL!!!!!! |
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Post by swilk on Jan 30, 2010 12:07:28 GMT -5
Yea boy let's teach him a lesson. He should never ever be allowed to defend himself against another person or a tyrannical government. Let's cheapen the Second Amendment and make it easier to disarm ourselves. Not trying to hijack the thread or start something, just making an observation ya know, just sayin'! No, He SHOULD loose his right to own a firearm (If the Gun Laws have any teeth!) This Poacher is a CRIMINAL!!!!!! Where did it say anything about a firearm being used? |
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Post by mrfixit on Jan 30, 2010 13:58:41 GMT -5
Yea boy let's teach him a lesson. He should never ever be allowed to defend himself against another person or a tyrannical government. Let's cheapen the Second Amendment and make it easier to disarm ourselves. Not trying to hijack the thread or start something, just making an observation ya know, just sayin'! No, He SHOULD loose his right to own a firearm (If the Gun Laws have any teeth!) This Poacher is a CRIMINAL!!!!!! Where in the Second Amendment does it say anything about if your a criminal you lose the right to own a firearm? I understand the whole scared of felons being able to own firearms, believe me it scares me too, but it's a very slippery slope we have already crested with all this criminal/good guy stuff. So while you stand on your little pedestal and point fingers please don't be so quick to take someone's rights away because of a mistake. There are none among us who have never drove to fast or forgot to stop at a stop sign so by your reckoning we are all "criminals". |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 30, 2010 14:24:03 GMT -5
He obviously didn't learn his lesson the first time, and should spend time in the grey bar hotel, but he won't, they never do. Yep; he should but you're probably right he won't. |
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Post by drs on Jan 30, 2010 14:38:10 GMT -5
Where did it say anything about a firearm being used? I seriously doubt if the Poacher used a Bow & Arrow. He most likely shot those Deer at night or early morning, before & after legal hunting hours. |
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Post by drs on Jan 30, 2010 14:43:03 GMT -5
Where in the Second Amendment does it say anything about if your a criminal you lose the right to own a firearm? I understand the whole scared of felons being able to own firearms, believe me it scares me too, but it's a very slippery slope we have already crested with all this criminal/good guy stuff. So while you stand on your little pedestal and point fingers please don't be so quick to take someone's rights away because of a mistake. There are none among us who have never drove to fast or forgot to stop at a stop sign so by your reckoning we are all "criminals". The Second Amendment doesn't state that so you are right here. HOWEVER the GCA of 1968 does |
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Post by greghopper on Jan 30, 2010 15:32:13 GMT -5
This Poacher commited a crime WITH a firearm. Therefore he should NEVER be allowed to own or even touch a firearm again for the rest of his life!!
Let's cheapen the Second Amendment and make it easier to disarm ourselves.Not trying to hijack the thread or start something, just making an observation ya know, just sayin'! Amen...  |
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Post by drs on Jan 30, 2010 15:42:14 GMT -5
[quote author=greghopper board=deerhunting thread=30715 [/quote] Amen... [/quote] So you're implying we should let criminals own firearms eventhough they will most likely commit more crimes? Then tell me what good are Gun Laws??? OH WAIT I have the answer; they are USELESS & DON'T WORK!!  MY point exactly and why they should be repealed!! |
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 30, 2010 15:47:45 GMT -5
Let us be careful what we wish for (e.g., making more misdemeanors into felonies). Our wish may come true. I believe that in Indiana convictions of serious misdemeanors can already be punished quite severely -- IF the judge chooses. Perhaps a reader can look this up in the Indiana code.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 30, 2010 16:04:27 GMT -5
Let us be careful what we wish for (e.g., making more misdemeanors into felonies). Our wish may come true. I believe that in Indiana convictions of serious misdemeanors can already be punished quite severely -- IF the judge chooses. Perhaps a reader can look this up in the Indiana code. Exacatly...good post!!! |
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Post by racktracker on Jan 30, 2010 16:36:54 GMT -5
With all dues respect drs, I don't understand what you are saying. You're talking in circles.
First you want to take away this individual's right to own a gun using the GCA of 1968 even though his crimes, as bad as they are, are not felonies. A lot of gun grabbers would love to see it that if someone got a parking or speeding ticket the government would take away their rightd to guns. Don't fall into that trap.
IMO - I think ONLY violent felons should lose that right.
Then a few posts later you ask for repeal of the same laws that you want to use to take away guns.
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Sorry, that just doesn't make any sense to me or am I reading you wrong?
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Post by mrfixit on Jan 30, 2010 19:06:29 GMT -5
The Second Amendment doesn't state that so you are right here. HOWEVER the GCA of 1968 doesYou sir are absolutely correct, the Gun Control Act of 1968 certainly does but you are quoting a Gun Control Act. As it is now it is already far to over reaching and if we aren't very very careful we will restrict ourselves to the point we give up a Constitutional right without even a fight. |
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Post by dadfsr on Jan 30, 2010 19:42:25 GMT -5
I'll have to admit that I don't think this guy should be allowed to keep any guns IF convicted of this latest round of offenses. I think he's shown an obvious disregard for what we would consider to be laws that should not and have no need to be broke.
That being said, I also would never give up my 2nd amendment rights for what is considered a misdmeanor BUT there is a very big difference between an occasional speeding/parking ticket and illegally taking 34 deer AFTER already having a previous conviction!!! This guy sounds like a real dirt bag that I sure wouldn't want as neighbor that had guns in his possession.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 30, 2010 19:53:24 GMT -5
According to the original post story:
"Penalties for each illegally taken deer or turkey include up to $1,000 in fines, one year in jail, or both; loss of hunting privileges for up to three years; and forfeiture of hunting equipment.
Ray could also have to pay replacement costs for the animals, which include $753 for each deer and $563 for each wild turkey."
Assuming the story writer is correct, and if Ray is convicted on all counts, and the judge imposes maximum penalties, Ray would certainly be severely punished.
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MY point exactly and why they should be repealed!!
